6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
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Sooner or later the issue will be that some software probably won't be available any more for your system.
This is a minor issue compared to the security risks. See the other comment in this thread for a good explanation.
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The viruses and exploits will though.
Solution:
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Your experience is not invalid, but It's fucked up that you're giving Windows credit for "just working" when Windows doesn't even try to support dual booting. In fact the reason Linux is having so much trouble is because it has to tiptoe so that Windows doesn't break.
If you don't like Gnome or Mint Cinnamon, why not try KDE? Something like Kubuntu, perhaps? I use Fedora KDE myself.
From Window's perspective, there's no need to dual boot. But I get what you're saying. I'm not trying to defend Microsoft, and think that they've been enshittifying windows for years now.
But everything works without jumping through hoops. And if it doesn't, the fix is usually very easy and done through a GUI 99% of the time.
But you are right. There are many flavours of Linux to try. Aesthetics aren't my priority, though. I do need things to work without spending hours trying to figure it out.
I'm at an age where messing around on my computer for days on end is long gone.
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I got a new PC recently so unfortunately I am now on Windows 11. I’ve been wanting to make the swap to Linux but I can’t really make a clean break because at least some of the games I play a lot won’t work on Linux. I do think I’m gonna try to set up another hard drive with Linux on it to try to slowly start learning it and ideally move over anything that I can over there eventually and just keep the windows drive for those few games.
Does anyone have any recommendations related to that? Distro for gaming/ease of use? What’s the best option for setting up the dual boot? Anything I wouldn’t have thought of that’s relevant?
What games are they?
One of the reasons i am sticking with Arch is because steamdeck os is build on it, whats good enough to game for valve is good enough for me.
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Upgrade tool says my hardware isn't supported, seems like I can enable TPM on my motherboard but it doesn't work right for some reason I think I managed to install Windows 10 without secure boot or something, not sure if those two are even related. I was thinking maybe I'd have to reinstall windows 10 with those modules enabled in order to upgrade to windows 11... Has anyone else encountered something similar?
Those two are related. Windows 11 requires both UEFI (secure boot) and TPM. Microsoft has a tool for converting a legacy install to UEFI. (backup your data beforehand as always)
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I'm already on Linux, gaming isn't as good but I only play old games anyway so it doesn't matter.
Fwiw, a great majority of my Steam library plays great in SteamOS.
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Nvidia user, i saw a 10-15% performance difference (maybe more in some games), some anti-cheat do not work, so i can not install these games. I used both Mint and Nobara with latest drivers running and proton-GE.
Might be game dependent but nowadays games like withcher 3 run better on linux then windows for me.
Anti-cheat is admittedly a pain though. Chivalry 2 used to work and now no longer does.
Though those anti cheats tend to be very invasive so i prefer if everyone moved to a system thats is user personal security first so the market would align with that.
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That's where the "analysis" part of "cost-benefit analysis" comes in and it doesn't make sense to generalize like you seem to want to.
Is it really that much more responsible to run Windows 11? You seem to have a LOT of faith in Microsoft to keep you safe. There's plenty of reasons to not switch to Windows 11.
I also use Linux on some machines. But I can also see why there are reasons why one distro or another, or even Linux in general, may not be the right call for some people.
I use Linux exclusively but I don't think it's relevant to the discussion.
I would rather use windows 11 than any other EOL version of windows. I loved windows XP when it came out, wouldn't dare to use it today.
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Those two are related. Windows 11 requires both UEFI (secure boot) and TPM. Microsoft has a tool for converting a legacy install to UEFI. (backup your data beforehand as always)
Wow, looks like exactly what I need! I'll give it a try, thanks!
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I don't really feel like going down the rabbit hole of trying a hundred different distros to maybe find one that works. My experiences with those two were that things were completely broken, randomly. Like just trying to boot the USB installer would lock up half the time, the installer itself would fail partway through most of the time, when things got fully installed, trying to update or install new things would just fail randomly. The kde desktop would crash just from me changing settings in the kde menus.
sounds like you've made up your mind. wnjoy windows 11!
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Definitely you should look into Linux, it's really gotten quite good. Especially if you don't need games with anti cheat.
But if you just want to use Windows 11, it's super duper easy. Just Google "download Windows 11 iso" and grab the iso file from Microsoft website.
Then download Rufus.
Then pop in a thumb drive that's at least 8gb. Open Rufus, select your thumb drive and the iso, then choose the option to remove windows requirements, then click start.
Backup your files on Windows 10, save them somewhere. Then pop in the thumb drive and install windows 11 fresh.
The requirements aren't actually required. Win 11 runs fine on all sorts of hardware. Support stops at 8th Gen Intel, but I've installed it on 5th Gen. My work laptop is 2nd or 3rd Gen. It's fine
️Technically less secure? Yeah, in some ways. But it's miles ahead of running unpatched windows 10 after September.
Oh shit this is actually really helpful, I might end up doing the Rufus USB route when I get my stuff back up and running (apartment flooded and I have to wait until the finish fixing my ceiling before I can plug everything back up.)
Thanks for the in-depth info!
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For the first 2 there are 3rd party programs for it the rest yea probably won’t work
Yeah I’m aware of openrgb, it has limited compatibility but seems to work ok for most of my stuff. Still haven’t found a great way to run my favorite corsair keyboard reactive lighting theme I had setup with their software in windows, but what I came up with in openrgb is good enough.
However, I didn’t think it was possible to run autoIt or autoHotkey at all in Linux. Are you suggesting a Python script to replace it, or something else? AHK has a very peculiar syntax which I don’t believe would translate well to other languages.
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It's tricky because I have things that just don't translate well to linux, or become considerably more expensive or time consuming to manage / deal with. Linux has a lot to offer and a lot of great. But I'm just going to keep running an out of date OS until I can switch.
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There's also the issue of people who regularly play games with kernel AC, particularly with studios who intentionally refuse Linux support.
Yes, but honestly, I find that games enforcing incompatible AC are often poorly developed games. The latest that disappointed me was EA WRC. It was quite good, but the gameplay was less interesting that Dirt Rally 2, for exemple, and since they enforced AC, they also started to deploy DLC, and destroy the game. The lesson was to never ever buy something from Electronic Arts (the last time was more than 10 years ago for me). And kernel level anti-cheat is NO GO on my computer. It doesn't matter if the game is awesome or not, I disagree with the fact that a game company has root access on my computer just for entertainement.
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Fwiw, a great majority of my Steam library plays great in SteamOS.
Indeed. I use a steam deck primarily for gaming and it surprises me every day how well it performs.
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I just gave up on windows gaming. If the game cant be played on my steamdeck, I just find something else. Otherwise its macos and linux for anything non-professional that requires windows. And even then I fucking hate it. Oh look at that... all my documents say "Auto-recover (version 1)" because it forcibly rebooted on me.
This! A game is a game. There are often good alternatives that gives as much entertainment. If a publisher doesn't want you to play, that's their problem, they won't get money from you.
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I tried a few but couldn't get them to work. I think the issue was my 1080ti GPU. I did get one of the other recommended Debian kde plasma builds installed and that one is looking nice. I was having issues with getting the same games to run that work on my steam deck. Probably just need to spend more time on it.
SteamOS-like distributions probably aren't for you right now. nvidia has massively improved over the year but it's still not on par with AMD.
Using an immutable distro (which Steam OS and its kind are) is just going to complicate things. Your easiest bet is using a distro that will install the correct drivers at install, like pop_os or mint.
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@MattTheProgrammer @The_Picard_Maneuver
Since you wanna Game using network anyway did you ever thought of Cloud Gaming (aka Geforce Now) ? That way you don't have a "unsecure" device in your network. From a security standpoint even an device only used for gaming is a security risk
That would require me to abandon half of my Steam library and pay an additional cost for games I already can play. My device is on Windows 11 so I am not worried about security updates, more so the Recall "feature" and AI training.
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I just gave up on windows gaming. If the game cant be played on my steamdeck, I just find something else. Otherwise its macos and linux for anything non-professional that requires windows. And even then I fucking hate it. Oh look at that... all my documents say "Auto-recover (version 1)" because it forcibly rebooted on me.
Even the Playstation OS is better than this. It asks you whether to update before shutdown or the next time it starts up. 'You're 33% there' is gaslighting, especially when you're just shutting down the machine to go to bed.
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Why Gates in the picture tough?
He stepped down as a chairman over 10 years ago and didint he leave the microsoft board like 5 years ago?
I always think the same. But everybody knows Bill Gates by sight. Do you think everyone instantly recognizes Satya Nadella?
