Norwegian tourist claims he was 'strip searched' before being denied entry to US over JD Vance meme on phone
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No that’s not how it works. Anarchists are people who advocate for the abolition of all authorities and hierarchies, including but not limited to the State, capitalism, xenophobia, racism, sexism, transphobia, etc. You don’t have to currently live in an anarchist society to be an anarchist.
I know what Anarchists are, which is why I said one day you will grow out of it. As long as you abide by the laws and systems of the things you "advocate against" you are nothing more than a hypocrite like all other Anarchists.
Well no I wouldn’t survive because everyone dies
. But I wouldn’t advocate for anarchism if I thought I was going to have a bad time.You are advocating for something that wouldn't last, and would be a bad time for most involved. The idea of Anarchy may sound cool to you, but if you bring it to its logical conclusion it fails immediately. There is a reason why Anarchy didn't embed itself as the default after we started forming larger and larger groups.
But I want to gently push back against the “Mad Max” notion of “anarchy” that I think you’re working with. Most forms of anarchism actually call for people to work together, to form groups to get stuff done but without the violence inherent in the State and the inequalities of capitalism that States inevitably reinforce.
Whatever idea of Anarchy that you are working with is misinformed. The state formed as a product of people grouping up and requiring structures and rules for everyone to coexist as peacefully as possible. If your idea of Anarchy is "Everyone works together to get stuff done without violence inherent in the state and the inequalities of capitalism" we have a name for that and it is called "Socialism".
wrote last edited by [email protected]I know what Anarchists are, which is why I said one day you will grow out of it.
No I won't lmao. Been going strong for ~15 years, and the older I get and the more I learn about the world and the more I experience life, the more I believe that anarchism is the best framework for analyzing and synthesizing a society that's good for everyone.
As long as you abide by the laws and systems of the things you "advocate against" you are nothing more than a hypocrite like all other Anarchists.
By that logic, I should start murdering and killing random civilians because it's in opposition to the law. Of course not! Not literally all laws are completely wrong. But I 1000% do not give a fuck about the letter of the law for the things I actually want to do.
If your idea of Anarchy is "Everyone works together to get stuff done without violence inherent in the state and the inequalities of capitalism" we have a name for that and it is called "Socialism".
Yes exactly, that's why some people use the term libertarian socialism to describe anarchism and its relatives! (Notice the little "l"; I obviously condemn the "Libertarian" Party and right-wing "Libertarians".) I will happily identify as a socialist, but "anarchist" is a bit more precise.
The rest of your talking points are directly answered in the Anarchist FAQ previously linked, and they did a much better job than I possibly could.
But let's get back to where we started. I am no fan of America even though I live here. As an anarchist, I am painfully aware of and vocal about how evil an entity America is. You don't need to be an anarchist to come to that conclusion, but I brought it up only because it's sufficient to come to the conclusion that America is evil (if not necessary). But more importantly: just because I live in America does not mean I have no right to vent.
And I would be a lot more quiet if you were from Palestine or Iran or one of the various countries America has bombed into the stone age, or even from the inner city or one of the reservations inside the US. I could absolutely sympathize with them being rude to me. I'd agree with them and take it. I'm an anarchist, and I'm accustomed to reading material written with a confrontational tone; half our modern anarchist literature is just people yelling at the reader
.But you're from Canada. Canada is just as complicit as the United States in the vast majority of the suffering we inflict on the world. And y'all are just as shitty to your indigenous population as we are.
And I've been noticing a distinctly...pro-Canada stance in your recent comment history...
If Americans have nothing to be proud of ...WHICH WE DO NOT... AMERICANS HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF ...then Canadians have almost nothing to be proud of. Yeah your healthcare system and social services are slightly less shit for white people, but Canada is still a settler-colonialist, capitalist, racist project that needs to be abolished.
Like if I should feel bad for living in America, then by taking your logic to its logical conclusion YOU should be ashamed about living in Canada.
Which you shouldn't. You were born there or were brought there. It's not your fault.
And to be completely clear: I reject national pride overall. National pride is for people who have nothing real to be proud of.
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Flying in from outside the US during this time to then attempt to drive all the way across the South
Both. It's both. I hope they stay safe. There are like 4 different major threats to a foreigner on that route.
Just out of curiosity I know it’s a super long drive but are there like places there where it’s not safe? Have never been to the US
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I know what Anarchists are, which is why I said one day you will grow out of it.
No I won't lmao. Been going strong for ~15 years, and the older I get and the more I learn about the world and the more I experience life, the more I believe that anarchism is the best framework for analyzing and synthesizing a society that's good for everyone.
As long as you abide by the laws and systems of the things you "advocate against" you are nothing more than a hypocrite like all other Anarchists.
By that logic, I should start murdering and killing random civilians because it's in opposition to the law. Of course not! Not literally all laws are completely wrong. But I 1000% do not give a fuck about the letter of the law for the things I actually want to do.
If your idea of Anarchy is "Everyone works together to get stuff done without violence inherent in the state and the inequalities of capitalism" we have a name for that and it is called "Socialism".
Yes exactly, that's why some people use the term libertarian socialism to describe anarchism and its relatives! (Notice the little "l"; I obviously condemn the "Libertarian" Party and right-wing "Libertarians".) I will happily identify as a socialist, but "anarchist" is a bit more precise.
The rest of your talking points are directly answered in the Anarchist FAQ previously linked, and they did a much better job than I possibly could.
But let's get back to where we started. I am no fan of America even though I live here. As an anarchist, I am painfully aware of and vocal about how evil an entity America is. You don't need to be an anarchist to come to that conclusion, but I brought it up only because it's sufficient to come to the conclusion that America is evil (if not necessary). But more importantly: just because I live in America does not mean I have no right to vent.
And I would be a lot more quiet if you were from Palestine or Iran or one of the various countries America has bombed into the stone age, or even from the inner city or one of the reservations inside the US. I could absolutely sympathize with them being rude to me. I'd agree with them and take it. I'm an anarchist, and I'm accustomed to reading material written with a confrontational tone; half our modern anarchist literature is just people yelling at the reader
.But you're from Canada. Canada is just as complicit as the United States in the vast majority of the suffering we inflict on the world. And y'all are just as shitty to your indigenous population as we are.
And I've been noticing a distinctly...pro-Canada stance in your recent comment history...
If Americans have nothing to be proud of ...WHICH WE DO NOT... AMERICANS HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF ...then Canadians have almost nothing to be proud of. Yeah your healthcare system and social services are slightly less shit for white people, but Canada is still a settler-colonialist, capitalist, racist project that needs to be abolished.
Like if I should feel bad for living in America, then by taking your logic to its logical conclusion YOU should be ashamed about living in Canada.
Which you shouldn't. You were born there or were brought there. It's not your fault.
And to be completely clear: I reject national pride overall. National pride is for people who have nothing real to be proud of.
By that logic, I should start murdering and killing random civilians because it’s in opposition to the law. Of course not! Not literally all laws are completely wrong. But I 1000% do not give a fuck about the letter of the law for the things I actually want to do.
By that logic, you aren't the only person in the world and a not so small amount of people are all about that life.
And I would be a lot more quiet if you were from Palestine or Iran or one of the various countries America has bombed into the stone age, or even from the inner city or one of the reservations inside the US. I could absolutely sympathize with them being rude to me. I’d agree with them and take it. I’m an anarchist, and I’m accustomed to reading material written with a confrontational tone; half our modern anarchist literature is just people yelling at the reader
A racist Anarchist? Well I never!
But you’re from Canada. Canada is just as complicit as the United States in the vast majority of the suffering we inflict on the world. And y’all are just as shitty to your indigenous population as we are.
And I’ve been noticing a distinctly…pro-Canada stance in your recent comment history…
Canada has much to be ashamed of, and much more to be proud of. We most certainly do not treat our Indigenous population like you do. We also do a lot of good around the world. There is a reason why we have so many allies.
I am not ashamed to be Canadian, and I am proud to be Canadian. I am also proud of being Greek. Regardless of the history of both.
If Americans have nothing to be proud of …WHICH WE DO NOT… AMERICANS HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF …then Canadians have almost nothing to be proud of. Yeah your healthcare system and social services are slightly less shit for white people, but Canada is still a settler-colonialist, capitalist, racist project that needs to be abolished.
We have much to be proud of in Canada. Feel free to explain how one "abolishes" a country full of people born and raised here from all over the world.
Like if I should feel bad for living in America, then by taking your logic to its logical conclusion YOU should be ashamed about living in Canada.
Which you shouldn’t. You were born there or were brought there. It’s not your fault.
I choose to live here because I like my country. I am proud of that choice. Just like you choose to live in the US and play pretend freedom fighter.
And to be completely clear: I reject national pride overall. National pride is for people who have nothing real to be proud of.
To be completely clear: Obviously, "Anarchist". That is exactly what people say when they have nothing to be proud of in their country.
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Just out of curiosity I know it’s a super long drive but are there like places there where it’s not safe? Have never been to the US
In the South? Yes, definitely.
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The Mexico border is down there. This is worrisome, not because of the Mexicans, but because ICE gangs like to hang out near the border to try and catch runners. A lot of them are tied up in northern cities right now kidnapping citizens but I wouldn't expect them to leave the southern border undefended.
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It's extremely hot as fuck right now. Further south you go the worse it gets. I'm ~600 miles north of Orlando and it was 109F outside today (that's about 43C) with over 50% humidity. When you pass through my home state of Louisiana you'll be seeing closer to 115F/80%. With heat that high and humidity content that high heat stroke becomes extremely easy. You'll be dealing with this from Florida through around maybe Texas where it starts to become a drier heat, with lower humidity, but places like Arizona used to hit 120F/49C before we were all talking about global warming.
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Southern Americans (as in, Southerners in the US, not people who live in South America, I know it's confusing) are not all racist, but uh... you'll see more who are, than aren't. If you're any shade of brown you're going to have a rough time. If you speak with a "funny" accent you're going to have a rough time. Armed racists populate huge swathes of the southern and midwestern US. This is statistically more likely to be just upsetting rather than directly harmful in most situations, but I wouldn't want to roll those dice, it's still very possible to find people who would just abduct and kill a foreigner they don't like.
Currently speaking, your biggest problems in the American South right now as a foreign tourist are going to be local racism and ICE. The local racism has been around forever and is mostly tolerable if you don't take offense easily, but you can probably expect to be called some slurs right to your face in more than a few small towns. ICE is a newer and probably bigger problem at the moment. They have orders from the president to capture and deport more people than they will possibly be able to accomplish, so anyone who looks or sounds foreign and doesn't have three forms of ID on them to prove citizenship is increasingly likely to get bagged, tagged, and dragged to a blacksite somewhere. I'm not confident that a tourist visa (or even a work visa) is going to stop them, it's already been proven that actual valid citizenship doesn't stop them.
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Just out of curiosity I know it’s a super long drive but are there like places there where it’s not safe? Have never been to the US
wrote last edited by [email protected]In general I think they're mostly referring to the fact that the U.S is ridiculously BIG. Like, most visitors freak out at how long you can drive through almost nothing here, when going between major population areas.
Driving through wilderness without a lot of extra water and a cellular connection, and maybe a spare tire, for example, is foolhardy.
Along the way, especially in "The South", you'll find the loveliest, kindest people, but you'll also find various, (probably politically motivated, lately) sadists/racists/bullies, some of which may be small-town law enforcement looking for excitement.
The law can be more "flexible" without major oversight in such places, and with the cult of the orange tyrant emboldening the prejudiced lately, that could spell trouble.
There's also various kinds of unsavory types as you'd find in any other country; I'm talking criminals, swindlers, and various weirdos of ill intent, and some stretches of the country are remote. Like, "no signal and it goes on and on in all directions until you see the earth curve" remote.
The vast majority of people are lovely, and would probably welcome and appreciate foreigners, the worst you'd deal with is getting a migraine from stupid but friendly questions about your accent or where you're from.
But like anywhere else, you need your wits about you.
In short:
Lovely place where many sights and adventures can be had! The biggest dangers are the roads and wilderness, basically.
- Don't mess with wildlife.
- Don't go off exploring remote areas in which you have no business
- Don't underestimate the wilderness and go unprepared.
- Practice the same street smarts as you would anywhere else, like don't go getting into strangers' cars or accepting random open beverages.
Setting aside the anomalous political tensions right now, the biggest danger to travelers to this country is seeing it as a big theme park where they can't possibly put themselves in any danger. Your average park rangers have plenty of horror stories about that, I'm sure, like idiots trying to selfie in front of buffalo or stand on the edge of the Grand Canyon, or falling into Yellowstone's tranquil but literally boiling hot springs...
Don't be that tragic idiot . . .and you'll likely have a fantastic time.
Hope this helps.
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I wish your friend safety in their travels!
wrote last edited by [email protected]I wish your friend safety in their travels!
Lol what degree of douchebag would downvote your comment, holy cow LOL.
I sincerely commend the positivity and kindness you've been bringing to this thread with warmly inviting people to flee to Canada.
Edit: Although maybe you're being a bit harsh further down.
It doesn't have to be so personal? People are just discussing stuff. Let's not let the decisions of stupid men in power deter us from productive discussion. -
You literally aren't an Anarchist because you are literally living under the boot of a dictatorship.
No that's not how it works. Anarchists are people who advocate for the abolition of all authorities and hierarchies, including but not limited to the State, capitalism, xenophobia, racism, sexism, transphobia, etc. You don't have to currently live in an anarchist society to be an anarchist.
You likely wouldn't survive an anarchist society, but you will grow out of that idea eventually I am sure.
Well no I wouldn't survive because everyone dies
. But I wouldn't advocate for anarchism if I thought I was going to have a bad time.But I want to gently push back against the "Mad Max" notion of "anarchy" that I think you're working with. Most forms of anarchism actually call for people to work together, to form groups to get stuff done but without the violence inherent in the State and the inequalities of capitalism that States inevitably reinforce.
For more information, see Section A.1 of the Anarchist FAQ.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I like the way you explain your Anarchist stances. I'm a Christian Anarchist myself, and see anarchism as a society in a similar light as personally trying to be like Jesus: It may be a state of perfection we, in our imperfections, cannot attain, but if everyone was trying their best towards a cooperative society free of authoritarian hierarchal peepee-swinging, maybe things would be much better overall.
Daring to believe in a better world and exert whatever influence we have to do so, takes a strong inner fire, and a lot of people miss the point when they think we just wanna tear it all down without a plan and start from scratch next week and it would all be unicorns and rainbows overnight.
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In general I think they're mostly referring to the fact that the U.S is ridiculously BIG. Like, most visitors freak out at how long you can drive through almost nothing here, when going between major population areas.
Driving through wilderness without a lot of extra water and a cellular connection, and maybe a spare tire, for example, is foolhardy.
Along the way, especially in "The South", you'll find the loveliest, kindest people, but you'll also find various, (probably politically motivated, lately) sadists/racists/bullies, some of which may be small-town law enforcement looking for excitement.
The law can be more "flexible" without major oversight in such places, and with the cult of the orange tyrant emboldening the prejudiced lately, that could spell trouble.
There's also various kinds of unsavory types as you'd find in any other country; I'm talking criminals, swindlers, and various weirdos of ill intent, and some stretches of the country are remote. Like, "no signal and it goes on and on in all directions until you see the earth curve" remote.
The vast majority of people are lovely, and would probably welcome and appreciate foreigners, the worst you'd deal with is getting a migraine from stupid but friendly questions about your accent or where you're from.
But like anywhere else, you need your wits about you.
In short:
Lovely place where many sights and adventures can be had! The biggest dangers are the roads and wilderness, basically.
- Don't mess with wildlife.
- Don't go off exploring remote areas in which you have no business
- Don't underestimate the wilderness and go unprepared.
- Practice the same street smarts as you would anywhere else, like don't go getting into strangers' cars or accepting random open beverages.
Setting aside the anomalous political tensions right now, the biggest danger to travelers to this country is seeing it as a big theme park where they can't possibly put themselves in any danger. Your average park rangers have plenty of horror stories about that, I'm sure, like idiots trying to selfie in front of buffalo or stand on the edge of the Grand Canyon, or falling into Yellowstone's tranquil but literally boiling hot springs...
Don't be that tragic idiot . . .and you'll likely have a fantastic time.
Hope this helps.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Thanks a lot, this is super helpful actually! Couldn’t imagine driving through areas for hours without reception or any signs of civilization, sounds kinda exciting and scary at the same time. Will definitely keep this saved
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I don't understand this, why not call him the way he wants to be called ? He's despicable but his name isn't the problem, I don't see how calling him Bowman (or calling Donald "Drumpf") is making any progress.
And it kind of undermines the discourse that we should respect people's choice as to how they define themselves.
And it kind of undermines the discourse that we should respect people’s choice as to how they define themselves.
I do respect peoples choice, but in this case I make an exception. It's him who denies people the right of identifying as themselves. He's a homo-and transphobe who supports the notion that people should identify as they are born, and thus I comply. Once he changes his tune in that regard I will respect his.
It's not like calling Trump Drumpf, Bowmans' mother changed his name and after that he changed his own to not be reminded of the identity he was born with. I use his deadname to spite him on purpose.
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By that logic, I should start murdering and killing random civilians because it’s in opposition to the law. Of course not! Not literally all laws are completely wrong. But I 1000% do not give a fuck about the letter of the law for the things I actually want to do.
By that logic, you aren't the only person in the world and a not so small amount of people are all about that life.
And I would be a lot more quiet if you were from Palestine or Iran or one of the various countries America has bombed into the stone age, or even from the inner city or one of the reservations inside the US. I could absolutely sympathize with them being rude to me. I’d agree with them and take it. I’m an anarchist, and I’m accustomed to reading material written with a confrontational tone; half our modern anarchist literature is just people yelling at the reader
A racist Anarchist? Well I never!
But you’re from Canada. Canada is just as complicit as the United States in the vast majority of the suffering we inflict on the world. And y’all are just as shitty to your indigenous population as we are.
And I’ve been noticing a distinctly…pro-Canada stance in your recent comment history…
Canada has much to be ashamed of, and much more to be proud of. We most certainly do not treat our Indigenous population like you do. We also do a lot of good around the world. There is a reason why we have so many allies.
I am not ashamed to be Canadian, and I am proud to be Canadian. I am also proud of being Greek. Regardless of the history of both.
If Americans have nothing to be proud of …WHICH WE DO NOT… AMERICANS HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF …then Canadians have almost nothing to be proud of. Yeah your healthcare system and social services are slightly less shit for white people, but Canada is still a settler-colonialist, capitalist, racist project that needs to be abolished.
We have much to be proud of in Canada. Feel free to explain how one "abolishes" a country full of people born and raised here from all over the world.
Like if I should feel bad for living in America, then by taking your logic to its logical conclusion YOU should be ashamed about living in Canada.
Which you shouldn’t. You were born there or were brought there. It’s not your fault.
I choose to live here because I like my country. I am proud of that choice. Just like you choose to live in the US and play pretend freedom fighter.
And to be completely clear: I reject national pride overall. National pride is for people who have nothing real to be proud of.
To be completely clear: Obviously, "Anarchist". That is exactly what people say when they have nothing to be proud of in their country.
By that logic, you aren't the only person in the world and a not so small amount of people are all about that life.
...you seriously think a lot of people are interested in murdering random people? That it's the existence of the State that keeps people from just being serial killers? Nah.
If the numberless facts which can be brought forward to support this view are taken into account, we may safely say that mutual aid is as much a law of animal life as mutual struggle, but that, as a factor of evolution, it most probably has a far greater importance, inasmuch as it favours the development of such habits and characters as insure the maintenance and further development of the species, together with the greatest amount of welfare and enjoyment of life for the individual, with the least waste of energy.
Peter Kropotkin, Mutual Aid; A Factor of Evolution
I.e. sure you're going to get some serial killers and anarchist societies will have to account for them, but the vast majority of people are good enough.
A racist Anarchist? Well I never!
What are you smoking and can I have some?!?
Acknowledging the very real reality that people from Iran and Palestine are more likely to be in a rough state of mind because they're currently being fucking bombed into oblivion is not fucking racism. Similarly, people living in the inner city or on reservations who are constantly being kicked in the teeth by the system at every step of their lives might are more likely to be in a rough state of mind than I am in my relatively privileged position.
Acknowledging my privilege relative to them is not fucking racist.
We have much to be proud of in Canada.
Yo my sister lived in Canada for several years. She has indigenous descent and she faced so much fucking racism for even looking First Nations.
Feel free to explain how one "abolishes" a country full of people born and raised here from all over the world.
Abolish the State through a diversity of tactics including peaceful protest, nonviolent and violent direct action, and mass mobilization. Convince people (like you) to also break their mental chains (like attachment to your nation). Establish alternative, prefigurative systems in opposition to hierarchy and domination with built-in safeguards to ensure consent of the community these systems serve.
I am not ashamed to be Canadian, and I am proud to be Canadian.
Okay the only people who should be ashamed of their country are people who are currently proud of it. If you need to feel shame to break this chain then please do.
Regardless of the history of both.
Really? Because... that's kinda important!
We also do a lot of good around the world.
No Canada does not. Canada is in lockstep with America, providing material support for the War on Terror and complicity in the Gaza Genocide, just to name a few.
There is a reason why we have so many allies.
Because Canada is in lockstep with America and the Canadian government has competent diplomats. Also... America has a lot of allies! That's not a good measure of how beneficial a country is to the world.
I choose to live here because I like my country. I am proud of that choice. Just like you choose to live in the US and play pretend freedom fighter.
Lol I absolutely do not pretend to be a freedom fighter because I'm too tired to fight. But I'd rather be a hypocrite than completely wrong.
And no, I absolutely do not choose to live here. If I left the United States for another country, I would blow through the couple hundred bucks in my bank account (which I don't even think I can access abroad? My bank will lock my card if I start using it across the country, let alone the world) because I wouldn't be allowed to get work, then get my ass deported back to the US. At least in the US I have people I can ask for money, and I can get work. Crucially... I'm not gonna dox myself, but I'm working to get the credentials to be able to get the fuck out of here and into almost any country in a way that is sustainable.
To be completely clear: Obviously, "Anarchist". That is exactly what people say when they have nothing to be proud of in their country.
No lol. Americans are unfortunately super proud of their country. Patriotism gets more fashionable as things get worse.
But also: in my view, there's nothing to be proud of in any country. Pride in your community? Pride in your culture? Subculture? Heritage? Family? Friends? Your own achievements? Sure thing! But the "nation" is a falsehood organized around the State, run by your local warlords in service of capitalism.
Definitionally, I believe that no one should be proud of their nation. Definitionally, nationalism is bad. I literally don't care about what quality of life you lead in that nation, because without the violence of the State and the capitalists it serves, you and your neighbors would be better off without the State.
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I like the way you explain your Anarchist stances. I'm a Christian Anarchist myself, and see anarchism as a society in a similar light as personally trying to be like Jesus: It may be a state of perfection we, in our imperfections, cannot attain, but if everyone was trying their best towards a cooperative society free of authoritarian hierarchal peepee-swinging, maybe things would be much better overall.
Daring to believe in a better world and exert whatever influence we have to do so, takes a strong inner fire, and a lot of people miss the point when they think we just wanna tear it all down without a plan and start from scratch next week and it would all be unicorns and rainbows overnight.
I like the way you explain your Anarchist stances.
Thank you. I try my best. God bless.
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“They threatened me with a minimum fine of $5,000 or five years in prison if I refused to provide the password to my phone.”
Jesus Christ. Reminds me of Eastern Europe in the early 90s.
It’s the blimp scene from Indiana jones, except he says “no password” instead of “no papers” after he throws the guy out of the blimp.
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By that logic, you aren't the only person in the world and a not so small amount of people are all about that life.
...you seriously think a lot of people are interested in murdering random people? That it's the existence of the State that keeps people from just being serial killers? Nah.
If the numberless facts which can be brought forward to support this view are taken into account, we may safely say that mutual aid is as much a law of animal life as mutual struggle, but that, as a factor of evolution, it most probably has a far greater importance, inasmuch as it favours the development of such habits and characters as insure the maintenance and further development of the species, together with the greatest amount of welfare and enjoyment of life for the individual, with the least waste of energy.
Peter Kropotkin, Mutual Aid; A Factor of Evolution
I.e. sure you're going to get some serial killers and anarchist societies will have to account for them, but the vast majority of people are good enough.
A racist Anarchist? Well I never!
What are you smoking and can I have some?!?
Acknowledging the very real reality that people from Iran and Palestine are more likely to be in a rough state of mind because they're currently being fucking bombed into oblivion is not fucking racism. Similarly, people living in the inner city or on reservations who are constantly being kicked in the teeth by the system at every step of their lives might are more likely to be in a rough state of mind than I am in my relatively privileged position.
Acknowledging my privilege relative to them is not fucking racist.
We have much to be proud of in Canada.
Yo my sister lived in Canada for several years. She has indigenous descent and she faced so much fucking racism for even looking First Nations.
Feel free to explain how one "abolishes" a country full of people born and raised here from all over the world.
Abolish the State through a diversity of tactics including peaceful protest, nonviolent and violent direct action, and mass mobilization. Convince people (like you) to also break their mental chains (like attachment to your nation). Establish alternative, prefigurative systems in opposition to hierarchy and domination with built-in safeguards to ensure consent of the community these systems serve.
I am not ashamed to be Canadian, and I am proud to be Canadian.
Okay the only people who should be ashamed of their country are people who are currently proud of it. If you need to feel shame to break this chain then please do.
Regardless of the history of both.
Really? Because... that's kinda important!
We also do a lot of good around the world.
No Canada does not. Canada is in lockstep with America, providing material support for the War on Terror and complicity in the Gaza Genocide, just to name a few.
There is a reason why we have so many allies.
Because Canada is in lockstep with America and the Canadian government has competent diplomats. Also... America has a lot of allies! That's not a good measure of how beneficial a country is to the world.
I choose to live here because I like my country. I am proud of that choice. Just like you choose to live in the US and play pretend freedom fighter.
Lol I absolutely do not pretend to be a freedom fighter because I'm too tired to fight. But I'd rather be a hypocrite than completely wrong.
And no, I absolutely do not choose to live here. If I left the United States for another country, I would blow through the couple hundred bucks in my bank account (which I don't even think I can access abroad? My bank will lock my card if I start using it across the country, let alone the world) because I wouldn't be allowed to get work, then get my ass deported back to the US. At least in the US I have people I can ask for money, and I can get work. Crucially... I'm not gonna dox myself, but I'm working to get the credentials to be able to get the fuck out of here and into almost any country in a way that is sustainable.
To be completely clear: Obviously, "Anarchist". That is exactly what people say when they have nothing to be proud of in their country.
No lol. Americans are unfortunately super proud of their country. Patriotism gets more fashionable as things get worse.
But also: in my view, there's nothing to be proud of in any country. Pride in your community? Pride in your culture? Subculture? Heritage? Family? Friends? Your own achievements? Sure thing! But the "nation" is a falsehood organized around the State, run by your local warlords in service of capitalism.
Definitionally, I believe that no one should be proud of their nation. Definitionally, nationalism is bad. I literally don't care about what quality of life you lead in that nation, because without the violence of the State and the capitalists it serves, you and your neighbors would be better off without the State.
You are ignorant, bigoted, and not worth further time. Give your head a shake.
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You are ignorant, bigoted, and not worth further time. Give your head a shake.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yeah because being anti-nationalist is so bigoted /s
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I wish your friend safety in their travels!
Lol what degree of douchebag would downvote your comment, holy cow LOL.
I sincerely commend the positivity and kindness you've been bringing to this thread with warmly inviting people to flee to Canada.
Edit: Although maybe you're being a bit harsh further down.
It doesn't have to be so personal? People are just discussing stuff. Let's not let the decisions of stupid men in power deter us from productive discussion.I’m a Christian Anarchist myself...
Yeah... Nah...
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You are ignorant, bigoted, and not worth further time. Give your head a shake.
Like seriously I'd like to know so I don't repeat it: which part of any of my replies is bigoted?
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What kind of dumb fuck still goes to the US for tourism?
Norwegians have this fanciful notion that all European and north American countries are essentially the same and that nothing is as bad as it's made out to be by those hysterical foreigners. This requires some degree of cognitive dissonance because they also feel like there is no country as good as Norway and everyone must really want to be Norwegian.
So he probably assumed it wasn't nearly as bad over there as people are saying and if he was to get into difficulty he could just say he's Norwegian and people would just let him off because everyone loves Norwegians. Also he's 21 so not terribly smart yet.
Not to mention that he's probably never been in a situation where a border control person takes your phone.
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You aren't trapped though! Come to Canada!
And this is how we achieved a population greater than what our housing can support. Unless you’re ready to fork over 1200-2k a month for a 1 bedroom & 1 bathroom then I would advise against this.
People are already forking over that kind of money in the US, and have been for years.
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Like seriously I'd like to know so I don't repeat it: which part of any of my replies is bigoted?
2 comments 6 minutes apart on the same comment. Thirsty much?
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2 comments 6 minutes apart on the same comment. Thirsty much?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yeah I actually am thirsty to know what specifically made you think I'm bigoted. We can agree to disagree about everything else but being called a bigot is pretty serious
