Why is the manosphere on the rise? UN Women sounds the alarm over online misogyny
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This fucking thread is crazy... especially these dudes trying to wrap their misogyny in faux leftist babbling.
There is no struggle but class struggle. They're just pissed they missed the bus on being invited to the ownership class and now they're stuck down here with everyone else.
wrote last edited by [email protected]There is no struggle but class struggle. They're just pissed they missed the bus on being invited to the ownership class and now they're stuck down here with everyone else.
The same can be said about you too, you know you are not getting shit done against the ownership class so resorting to insulting and demeaning anyone who appears privileged to you.
You want to really fight a class war? How about starting by not out of frustration humiliating anyone who has different symptoms of the same problem as you.
This fucking thread is crazy... especially these dudes trying to wrap their misogyny in faux leftist babbling.
Sure men talking about their problems is misogyny, you can't gate keep the left, and anybody who is reading this, some people at left accept you and adversiory despite of your gender . your are not abonded. Seek out help. There are still people who will help you.
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Yeah.... I didn't think the culture was as ubiquitous. Kinda scary to see on a platform with so many self professed "leftist". You can't seriously think you are on the left when you only care about providing for your specific demographic.
The kids are not alright apparently.
IMO the limited subset arguing here support authoritarianism. Generally a male dominated profession. Seems to be a burgeoning market these days.
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Sure. Real men don't cry. Real men aren't weak. Real men toughen up and don't complain. Real men don't care about injustice if it's them who are affected. That's you.
Lol, falsely conflating me telling you not to blame POC and women for late stage capitalism with telling you not to cry is pretty hilarious.
What injustice are you facing that generations of women and immigrants haven't been receiving the whole time?
I'm not telling you not to communicate or build support networks, I'm saying don't blame minorities for the lack of those support networks.
Lol, falsely conflating me telling you not to blame POC and women for late stage capitalism with telling you not to cry is pretty hilarious.
I did what?
What injustice are you facing that generations of women and immigrants haven’t been receiving the whole time?
I've been using this thread as an opportunity to talk about a positive example, and that's the marked increase in male childcare workers in Germany. I pointed out some masculine influencers doing good work. I bemoaned that much "X for women/girls" stuff is half-assed feel-good BS, prone to causing more harm than good (because half-assed, because it's done for optics instead of the thing itself).
I've been constructive. I didn't lash out and try to put people down for caring about their issues. I didn't wrap people up in ass-long back and forth threads demanding justification after justification why they care just to find an excuse to pounce, then ride my high horse into the sunset.
Oh, and I also shot the horse of some guy.
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Is there even an incentive for solving men's problems?
Uh, yes? Obviously. If there wasn't then "manosphere" content would never be monetized.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Mate, what many of those so-called gururs of "manosphere" do is called capitalising on misery of others, not solving. Which I have already covered in my comment above.
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Bill maher touched on this last night on his show, and i cant believe im seeing more of it.
He argued men are shat on far to often in todays media with female leads taking more lead roles.
He also brought up countless movies starting in the 80s that pushed the dumb dad/male narrative that persists today.
Does he have a point? Yeah idk really.
Bill Maher is Joe Rogan for people who think they're too smart for Joe Rogan. He never has an important point to make about anything and is usually completely misinformed. This is a rich white Jewish guy that rarely sees any value in issues raised by any other demographic, yet always complains any time there is even a mild issue facing rich/white/Jewish guys.
Women make up more than 50% of the population, but make up 30% of the leads in Hollywood roles, up from the previous 15% - conspiracy of the woke!
Or, maybe.. The marketing teams figured out that women would rather watch a movie with a female lead more often. Or maybe.. its a load of horseshit.https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/women-hollywood-female-leads-1235830860/
Can't believe I'm reading defence of the manosphere on Lemmy, but here we are.
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Lol, falsely conflating me telling you not to blame POC and women for late stage capitalism with telling you not to cry is pretty hilarious.
I did what?
What injustice are you facing that generations of women and immigrants haven’t been receiving the whole time?
I've been using this thread as an opportunity to talk about a positive example, and that's the marked increase in male childcare workers in Germany. I pointed out some masculine influencers doing good work. I bemoaned that much "X for women/girls" stuff is half-assed feel-good BS, prone to causing more harm than good (because half-assed, because it's done for optics instead of the thing itself).
I've been constructive. I didn't lash out and try to put people down for caring about their issues. I didn't wrap people up in ass-long back and forth threads demanding justification after justification why they care just to find an excuse to pounce, then ride my high horse into the sunset.
Oh, and I also shot the horse of some guy.
Oh I'm sorry I mistook you for someone who was blaming minorities for their woes.... You're just a guy defending him.
been constructive. I didn't lash out and try to put people down for caring about their issues. I didn't wrap people up in ass-long back and forth threads demanding justification after justification why they care just to find an excuse to pounce, then ride my high horse into the sunset
If that's your take on this thread then you're just as complicit as the rest of these incels.
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Men huh, Finland is a feminist govt that has a male-only draft.
Men still make up the majority of the parliament in Finland, though that particular country has a long history of promoting equity.
Oh & EU is feminist led
You mean that the EU has leaders who are feminist..... Men still hold the majority of the seats.
Feminists & women are pandered to by those men. Those men are kinda like you.
Oh no.... People who believe in equality....the tragedy.
Of course some like you is going to victim blame men
How exactly are you being victimized while I am not.... and we're both men?
Another example is the white feather movement
Lol, that was a nationalistic movement to get people to go to war. I don't really think women were really in control of the war effort during WW2.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You don't believe in equality, PERIOD. Because people like you oppose women being drafted. You also deny systemic misandry like the alimony laws & even support policies like abolishing prisons for women & reduced sentencing for women & only women.
There are multiple documented evidences of feminists shaming men into getting drafted while they get to be safe & secure & one of their excuses was "We have a crisis in masculinity" & Finland has a women-majority govt, of course the diversity part is a lie.
EU is led by feminists & BTW, pandering to women is also feminism, there are literally reserved seats for women & a male-only draft. These are all Equity to you huh
I like how you're putting in so much effort into pushing the narrative that it's men who do it, when the biggest warmongers just so happen to be women & there's not a single word of opposition to the draft by feminists.
Like the White-feather movement being nationalistic, yet it was still women who shamed men into fighting the war (women didn't want to go to war & even today women as a whole are opposed to conscription for women)
Reminder women in the military are placed in either guard duty or administration.
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IMO the limited subset arguing here support authoritarianism. Generally a male dominated profession. Seems to be a burgeoning market these days.
a male dominated profession
True, but does that make Giorgia Meloni a fascist DEI hire?
Yeah, they seem to be more on the side of "national socialism" than actual socialism. Socialism.....but only for a certain demographic that happens to encompass me and people who look and act like me.
Well If it helps I think you made really good points, and in a much more civil manner than what that guy deserved....and he still tried to frame you as having a "hostile tone". Misogynistic never fucking change.
Keep up the good fight
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This is a sentiment often repeated by manosphere influencers and there’s no actual tangible evidence it exists and I think that’s the real issue.
This is why I feel there is such a disconnect. I just have to open TikTok to see this, so if researchers are not finding evidence then I’m very curious how that’s possible. Heck, you just need to look at the same masculinity influencer content they are talking about to see it, because it’s not just them making shit up from nothing - they will often use clips of misandrist women to get their point across. So they basically find the evidence for you.
Why has no one here said "links"?
People here just talk in circles instead of providing concrete support.
Dadvocate would be a good source for this stuff especially if you don't fancy your watch history to get infested by misogynists. Just a gal who doesn't pull guard.
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There is no struggle but class struggle. They're just pissed they missed the bus on being invited to the ownership class and now they're stuck down here with everyone else.
The same can be said about you too, you know you are not getting shit done against the ownership class so resorting to insulting and demeaning anyone who appears privileged to you.
You want to really fight a class war? How about starting by not out of frustration humiliating anyone who has different symptoms of the same problem as you.
This fucking thread is crazy... especially these dudes trying to wrap their misogyny in faux leftist babbling.
Sure men talking about their problems is misogyny, you can't gate keep the left, and anybody who is reading this, some people at left accept you and adversiory despite of your gender . your are not abonded. Seek out help. There are still people who will help you.
The same can be said about you too, you know you are not getting shit done against the ownership class so resorting to insulting and demeaning anyone who appears privileged to you.
Lol, I'm the same because I'm upset that people aren't engaging in class consciousness?
You want to really fight a class war? How about starting by not out of frustration humiliating anyone who has different symptoms of the same problem as you.
I'm making fun of people who claim to be leftist, but only care about their own demographics. You can't be a leftist and abandon the very basic idea of class consciousness.
Sure men talking about their problems is misogyny,
It is when you talk to them about their problems and all they do is bitch and moan about dei.
you can't gate keep the left, and anybody who is reading this, some people at left accept you and adversiory despite of your gender
Again .... This isn't about their gender. I'm a dude. Its about how they've abandoned class consciousness and are demeaning the struggles of their fellow working class by claiming they somehow have it worse than everyone else. And when you ask them why...... You just end up getting thinly veiled misogyny.
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Bring back periods in initialisms. U.N.
Bring back punctuation altogether at this stage!
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Oh I'm sorry I mistook you for someone who was blaming minorities for their woes.... You're just a guy defending him.
been constructive. I didn't lash out and try to put people down for caring about their issues. I didn't wrap people up in ass-long back and forth threads demanding justification after justification why they care just to find an excuse to pounce, then ride my high horse into the sunset
If that's your take on this thread then you're just as complicit as the rest of these incels.
If that’s your take on this thread then you’re just as complicit as the rest of these incels.
It's my take on my own contributions. Note that those didn't include "defending some guy", it really was an exhaustive list. How you managed to get that wrong in a post in which you apologised about getting something wrong is something you'll have to ask your dead horse, I suppose.
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A growing network of online communities known collectively as the “manosphere” is emerging as a serious threat to gender equality, as toxic digital spaces increasingly influence real-world attitudes, behaviours, and policies, the UN agency dedicated to ending gender discrimination has warned.
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And sitcoms.
Don't watch those, though the few I've watched didn't really have that. But it wouldn't surprise me.
But I think with kid shows it's much more dangerous, they soak up the patterns and internalise them.
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You don't believe in equality, PERIOD. Because people like you oppose women being drafted. You also deny systemic misandry like the alimony laws & even support policies like abolishing prisons for women & reduced sentencing for women & only women.
There are multiple documented evidences of feminists shaming men into getting drafted while they get to be safe & secure & one of their excuses was "We have a crisis in masculinity" & Finland has a women-majority govt, of course the diversity part is a lie.
EU is led by feminists & BTW, pandering to women is also feminism, there are literally reserved seats for women & a male-only draft. These are all Equity to you huh
I like how you're putting in so much effort into pushing the narrative that it's men who do it, when the biggest warmongers just so happen to be women & there's not a single word of opposition to the draft by feminists.
Like the White-feather movement being nationalistic, yet it was still women who shamed men into fighting the war (women didn't want to go to war & even today women as a whole are opposed to conscription for women)
Reminder women in the military are placed in either guard duty or administration.
You don't believe in equality, PERIOD. Because people like you oppose women being drafted.
Wrong fuck face, I don't believe in the draft for men or women.
You also deny systemic misandry like the alimony laws & even support policies like abolishing prisons for women & reduced sentencing for women & only women.
The majority of law makers are men, the majority of judges are men, the majority of law enforcement officers are men... How is men making rules that you perceive to negatively affect men = misandry?
There are multiple documented evidences of feminists shaming men into getting drafted while they get to be safe & secure & one of their excuses was "We have a crisis in masculinity"
Lol, you really think the white feathers was a feminist movement?
Finland has a women-majority govt](https://www.forbes.com/sites/carmenniethammer/2019/12/12/finlands-new-government-is-young-and-led-by-women-heres-what-the-country-does-to-promote-diversity/), of course the diversity part is a lie.
"Moreover, almost half (47%) of the country’s" having a woman as the leader doesn't mean they have the majority. You're either lying or you can't fucking read.
I like that you posted an article praising the quality of living and equity in a country and think it helps your argument.
EU is led by feminists & BTW, pandering to women is also feminism, there are literally reserved seats for women & a male-only draft. These are all Equity to you huh
Lol, I don't think you know what equity, feminism, or majority means.
like how you're putting in so much effort into pushing the narrative that it's men who do it, when the biggest warmongers just so happen to be women & there's not a single word of opposition to the draft by feminists.
Lol, name a time in modern history where a woman was the leader of a nation who started a war......
Like the White-feather movement being nationalistic, yet it was still women who shamed men into fighting the war (women didn't want to go to war & even today women as a whole are opposed to conscription for women)
And you think I like the white feathers? Being a feminist doesn't mean you support every decision of every woman...... That's just insane. That would be like me blaming every man, for WW2 because Hitler was a dude.
Reminder women in the military are placed in either guard duty or administration.
Lol, that's not even true..... Women have been allowed to be in combat roles since 2013.
And guess what, it's not the women who say they shouldn't be
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When a person has a systemic privilege, sometimes equality feels like oppression to them.
Or maybe it feels like oppression because it is. Nobody in this thread has their mind open to the possibility that structural changes disadvantaging (young, predominantly white) men can happen even when other groups are continuing to be held back.
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I like saying that society is a hot gas.
It is a mass of small particles that barely interact with one another, heated up by the heat of anger and hate, floating in a large space aimlessly.
My type of society would be a liquid, where particles are free to move but close to other particles.
We should expand the volume of society then! PV=nRT baby
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I've seen two things out of "Men's Health Awareness Month":
- The rainbow hair squad bawling about "No it's Pride Month"
- People posting lazy image macros with lies like "It's okay to show your feelings" in them.
I have no fucking interest in National Whatever Day or Something Awareness Month. They always end up an exercise in worthless busybody tokenism, and the more of them we put in place the more hilarious collisions we're going to find. I got a great idea, let's start observing National Temperence Week as the first week of May, so that we can generate pointless anger at the people drinking Corona and margaritas on Cinco De Mayo. I can hear Latinos now saying "Oh what the fuck have the white people made themselves mad about now?"
The messaging I have seen about "Men's Health Awareness Month" has mostly been addressed to men saying things like "It's okay to share, it's okay to cry, there are five lights." His lived experience has shown that no, it is not. He is overwhelmingly expected to be stable, and any display of weakness will permanently lessen his worth in anyone's eyes. Telling HIM to open up when those are the consequences he knows await, addressing the problem as a change HE needs to make is just pissing up a rope.
I'm going to use the movie Fight Club as an illustrative device here: Pretty much all of the men in this setting find their social and emotional needs unmet by the structure of society. The buzzword you see thrown around today for this is "lack of third spaces." The men in the testicular cancer group have basically only one pain to share with each other: loss of family, marriages, jobs etc. The men respond strongly positively to Fight Club, which at first is basically an underground bare knuckle boxing ring started by a mentally ill man. I have a hypothesis that something like a pickup game of basketball would have served much the same function, that what the men in this setting really need is time to do physical activities with other men, to form those bonds the way men actually do.
On that note, I'll be right back.You're a sensible fellow and I appreciate your rational perspective and positive, encouraging attitude to your fellow human beings. Good idea on the virtual hike too, I'll do that next time I'm out and about if I remember.
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I only see women being pushed into places with traditionally male majority, but not men being pushed into places with traditional female majority.
As a positive counter-example, I'd like to give a shoutout to German childcare. In 2022, 17.9% of under 20yolds, 12,6% of under 30yold childcare professionals were men, contrast with 2% among 60 and older. There's been an active effort both from the professional organisations as well as operators to increase the ratio, right-out masterplanned it, and they're making strides. As a side-effect: Plenty of young female childcare workers now don't feel weird at all about wrestling with the boys. Not that "boys need movement because their gross motor skills develop before fine motor skills" was unknown back in my days but the vibe was either "grandma watching you build wood block towers" or "grandma watching you at the playground".
There's three aspects to this: They recognised that "women know better than men when it comes to childcare" is BS and recognition was given to masculine styles of parenting, with that the pattern of dealing with the few men that were in the field by "promoting them out of sight", that is, into administration, was abolished, and finally an active push to advertise the job to men.
Not sure whether the ratio will ever reach 50:50 or whether that's even important at all, stabilising at 1/3rd or such would be plenty to ensure that things are even-keeled. If you rather become a construction worker I'm not going to tell you to go into childcare instead, and vice versa, not everything that's not 50:50 is due to gatekeeping. Women aren't going to become saturation divers en masse, and that's fine.
There is nothing that needs or requires 50/50 nor is there any benefit to society by forcing it besides being able to say "now it's equal". Childcare should ideally be 30% men and 70% women because women are natual caretakers and excell at emotional and social tasks. Men are needed there to provide strict authority for kids when they are not behaving well and for developing skills such as sports, engineering and emotional reslilience.
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A growing network of online communities known collectively as the “manosphere” is emerging as a serious threat to gender equality, as toxic digital spaces increasingly influence real-world attitudes, behaviours, and policies, the UN agency dedicated to ending gender discrimination has warned.
Lots of feminists want to blame every problem on men. That backfired and now a lot of men are doing the same.
Loneliness and being disconnected from the community doesn't help either.
