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'Every word has come back to haunt me': China cracks down on women who write gay erotica

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  • kami@lemmy.dbzer0.comK [email protected]

    Ah yes, this is the democracy some people talk about

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    Authoritarians gonna authoritarian regardless of economic model.

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      "I've been warned not to talk about it," the woman wrote, before revealing snippets of the day she says she was arrested for publishing gay erotica.

      "I'll never forget it - being escorted to the car in full view, enduring the humiliation of stripping naked for examination in front of strangers, putting on a vest for photos, sitting in the chair, shaking with fear, my heart pounding."

      The handle, Pingping Anan Yongfu, is among at least 8 in recent months which have shared accounts on Chinese social media platform Weibo of being arrested for publishing gay erotic fiction. As authors recounted their experiences, dozens of lawyers offered pro bono help.

      At least 30 writers, nearly all of them women in their 20s, have been arrested across the country since February, a lawyer defending one told the BBC. Many are out on bail or awaiting trial, but some are still in custody. Another lawyer told the BBC that many more contributors were summoned for questioning.

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      "The Chinese government wants to promote traditional family values and liking danmei novels is seen as a factor in making women less willing to have children," Dr Ge explains.

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      • B [email protected]

        I know nothing about Chinese child care, but reading that the government wishes for more child rearing, might it be that there are other systemic problems like no access to child care facilities, a culture that doesn't value women and people exhausted by long work days? I might have read that this is part of the root cause in korea.
        But sure, some gay novels might also be the reason for significant numbers.
        Overall the Chinese are somewhat known for pragmatic approaches, why chasing illusions in this case? The total number of readers and writers can't be that huge can't it?

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        Maybe still effects of the one-child-policy times. It's probably much easier to punish people for having too many children than it is to incentivise having more.

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        • kami@lemmy.dbzer0.comK [email protected]

          Ah yes, this is the democracy some people talk about

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          Don't be silly, democracy is only when private companies do all encompassing AI powered surveillance.

          If you’ve left a comment on a YouTube video, a new website claims it might be able to find every comment you’ve ever left on any video you’ve ever watched. Then an AI can build a profile of the commenter and guess where you live, what languages you speak, and what your politics might be.

          According to the developer, they’ve provided the tool to cops in Portugal, Belgium, and “other countries in Europe.” They told 404 Media that the website is meant for private investigators, journalists, and cops.

          https://archive.md/buuA6

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          • B [email protected]

            I know nothing about Chinese child care, but reading that the government wishes for more child rearing, might it be that there are other systemic problems like no access to child care facilities, a culture that doesn't value women and people exhausted by long work days? I might have read that this is part of the root cause in korea.
            But sure, some gay novels might also be the reason for significant numbers.
            Overall the Chinese are somewhat known for pragmatic approaches, why chasing illusions in this case? The total number of readers and writers can't be that huge can't it?

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            Overall the Chinese are somewhat known for pragmatic approaches, why chasing illusions in this case? The total number of readers and writers can't be that huge can't it?

            Probably enlightened despotism giving way to regular despotism. Facing economic problems, and having shed all pretense of being socialist, the Chinese ruling class likely needs a scapegoat for the country's troubles.

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              "I've been warned not to talk about it," the woman wrote, before revealing snippets of the day she says she was arrested for publishing gay erotica.

              "I'll never forget it - being escorted to the car in full view, enduring the humiliation of stripping naked for examination in front of strangers, putting on a vest for photos, sitting in the chair, shaking with fear, my heart pounding."

              The handle, Pingping Anan Yongfu, is among at least 8 in recent months which have shared accounts on Chinese social media platform Weibo of being arrested for publishing gay erotic fiction. As authors recounted their experiences, dozens of lawyers offered pro bono help.

              At least 30 writers, nearly all of them women in their 20s, have been arrested across the country since February, a lawyer defending one told the BBC. Many are out on bail or awaiting trial, but some are still in custody. Another lawyer told the BBC that many more contributors were summoned for questioning.

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              These authors are being accused of breaking China's pornography law for "producing and distributing obscene material". Writers who earn a profit could be jailed for more than 10 years.

              The law targets "explicit descriptions of gay sex or other sexual perversions".

              Jesus I thought there might have been some bullshit pretense, but apparently it's just straight-up illegal there.

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                Don't be silly, democracy is only when private companies do all encompassing AI powered surveillance.

                If you’ve left a comment on a YouTube video, a new website claims it might be able to find every comment you’ve ever left on any video you’ve ever watched. Then an AI can build a profile of the commenter and guess where you live, what languages you speak, and what your politics might be.

                According to the developer, they’ve provided the tool to cops in Portugal, Belgium, and “other countries in Europe.” They told 404 Media that the website is meant for private investigators, journalists, and cops.

                https://archive.md/buuA6

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                Don't Chinese private mega corporations do this too?

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                  Don't Chinese private mega corporations do this too?

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                  Chinese corporations do only what government allows them to do, any more and the CEO "takes an extended vacation".

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                    Chinese corporations do only what government allows them to do, any more and the CEO "takes an extended vacation".

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                    Well yeah and the government really wants to pry into every aspect of your life. So you'll have the same shit

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                    • oh_@lemmy.worldO [email protected]

                      This will eventually be the U.S. if we don’t stop the erosion. Right now they are going after trans, brown people. They will turn attention after to others.

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                      This article has nothing to do with the United States and did not need a US centric comment.

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                        "I've been warned not to talk about it," the woman wrote, before revealing snippets of the day she says she was arrested for publishing gay erotica.

                        "I'll never forget it - being escorted to the car in full view, enduring the humiliation of stripping naked for examination in front of strangers, putting on a vest for photos, sitting in the chair, shaking with fear, my heart pounding."

                        The handle, Pingping Anan Yongfu, is among at least 8 in recent months which have shared accounts on Chinese social media platform Weibo of being arrested for publishing gay erotic fiction. As authors recounted their experiences, dozens of lawyers offered pro bono help.

                        At least 30 writers, nearly all of them women in their 20s, have been arrested across the country since February, a lawyer defending one told the BBC. Many are out on bail or awaiting trial, but some are still in custody. Another lawyer told the BBC that many more contributors were summoned for questioning.

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                        But .ml communities promise meChina has mote free speech than the West! How is this possible?

                        /s

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                          Overall the Chinese are somewhat known for pragmatic approaches, why chasing illusions in this case? The total number of readers and writers can't be that huge can't it?

                          Probably enlightened despotism giving way to regular despotism. Facing economic problems, and having shed all pretense of being socialist, the Chinese ruling class likely needs a scapegoat for the country's troubles.

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                          Sounds plausible, crazy how that always works

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                          • buelldozer@lemmy.todayB [email protected]

                            This article has nothing to do with the United States and did not need a US centric comment.

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                            This article serves as a warning against authoritarianism and should be discussed in every context.

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                            • buelldozer@lemmy.todayB [email protected]

                              This article has nothing to do with the United States and did not need a US centric comment.

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                              This will happen in your country as well if you are not aware of it's typical process and spread.

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                                But .ml communities promise meChina has mote free speech than the West! How is this possible?

                                /s

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                                It's really weird and kinda reddit-like to see a human rights violation and twist the story to be about some online community.

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                                  "The Chinese government wants to promote traditional family values and liking danmei novels is seen as a factor in making women less willing to have children," Dr Ge explains.

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                                  Man, it's wild to see them go from one-child to this in a single generation.

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                                  • supervisor194@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                    Man, it's wild to see them go from one-child to this in a single generation.

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                                    The machine needs meat

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                                    • supervisor194@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                      Man, it's wild to see them go from one-child to this in a single generation.

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                                      Overcorrection in policy is not uncommon in authoritarian regimes. I'd imagine because policy carries the threat of imprisonment, not just guidance.

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                                        "The Chinese government wants to promote traditional family values and liking danmei novels is seen as a factor in making women less willing to have children," Dr Ge explains.

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                                        I generally want to have sex with my husband after reading erotica. You know, because it’s arousing. How did this not occur to them?

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                                          It's really weird and kinda reddit-like to see a human rights violation and twist the story to be about some online community.

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                                          This isn’t about some online community as much as it is a comment on tankies.

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