What are some methods of distributed civil disobedience for Americans?
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Distributed as in non centralized. Many people feel like there is nothing they can do to contribute to meaningful change, especially with how spread out Americans are, but surely there has got to be something.
Using the trend of blocking traffic as an example, I think a coordinated effort to not just block a highway in one city, but to block state routes and other arteries in many places would be more effective. Instead of one city having bad traffic for a day, it would be many towns and it would be harder to dismiss as a local problem if people across the states are engaging.
If you make a mistake on your taxes you can always file a correction later.
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Opting out of consumerism. Not that it's legal disobedience, but it's certainly social disobedience that would get the attention of and take power from the corporations who control our politicians. Yes we can't stop buying everything completely, going to a barter system for everything is not feasible. But we can at least stop buying so much crap.
There was a 'single day consumer stop' recently that was just plain silly. That won't even show up on a weekly report, let alone concern even managers.
Also, if they don't know it's due to a standpoint, they will look for every other likely reason available. It needs to be a movement
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I'm not talking about boycotting shitty companies, though. Just like, boycotting capitalism. To the degree that's even possible. We need food, shelter, and utilities.
But clothes? Repair, swap, thrift.
Entertainment? Cancel streaming services, stop going out to movies. Don't use social media sites that make money by showing you ads. Play cards or board games, read or listen to books from the library. Trade things with friends when you get bored of what you have instead of just buying new stuff. Touch grass.
I'm not saying I do all of this stuff or that it would be easy, but lots of people doing this consistently would make a much bigger difference than boycotting shitty companies piecemeal.
In that case, I was boycotting before it was cool.
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Distributed as in non centralized. Many people feel like there is nothing they can do to contribute to meaningful change, especially with how spread out Americans are, but surely there has got to be something.
Using the trend of blocking traffic as an example, I think a coordinated effort to not just block a highway in one city, but to block state routes and other arteries in many places would be more effective. Instead of one city having bad traffic for a day, it would be many towns and it would be harder to dismiss as a local problem if people across the states are engaging.
Everyone, DRIVE FUCKING SLOW.
"C'mon, that'll just piss myself off." Do you think the French living under nazi occupation wouldn't love to dangle their bumper in front of every German driver that comes along?
Do 58 in a 65.
Do 41 in a 45.Don't worry, because when I see you on the road driving slow, I'll join you for solidarity. I'll keep a safe distance behind, just attempting to
navigate international waters in the South China Seadrive as slow as we legally fucking want.Stick to the rule of "Stay to the right". Don't break traffic laws. Provide no incriminating behavior beyond "slower than normal".
Let the rest of the bastards deal with it. Those bastards, whose privilege blesses them with the worst part of their day being "shitty traffic," who then arrive to the office and bitch about it to the other old ladies who share that same privilege, ALL OF WHOM proceeded to wax poetic about the nostalgia of their gun-laden childhoods the morning after another elementary classroom was shot up, yet who didn't acknowledge THE SHOOTING amongst each other.
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Something I liked about the response to LA was people showing up at hotels where occupiers were staying and driving them out. There's a sort of group denunciation happening, and then also it just makes it hard to do the work - they don't have enough sleep, they have to travel farther to the intended area of action.
What about other ways to foul logistics? And what are other ways to shame/demoralize people supporting the regime? Totalitarians require everyday people to carry out their orders. The more people we peel away or disillusion the less control a totalitarian can exert.
We need a community dedicated to these questions.
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I think this would actually have the opposite effect. Itās essentially the Dead Cat Strategy. Thatās a political tactic where if youāre losing an argument and canāt see a way to turn it around, just throw a dead cat on the table. Now everyone is suddenly talking about the dead cat, instead of the argument you were losing. It refers to when a politician is losing a debate, so they just start making outrageous statements to grab attention and divert the debate away from the argument.
Epsteinās body would be a dead cat, as news would divert towards covering that instead of covering the files.
So like, all of 2025 so far.
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Oh, god no, as stated, stories like this are why I don't like BLM:
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2015/12/31/dunbar-slayings-prompt-a-rethinking-of-black-lives-matter/
These dead kids in Chicago were met with SILENCE from BLM. Their lives and deaths didn't matter because they did not fit the BLM narrative.
"The activists working to protest rogue cops must work just as hard to shatter indifference toward the violence plaguing normal citizens. Or else black lives south and west still wonāt matter. Only our escape from the city will."
Unless the perpetrator is a cop, specifically a white cop, BLM is dead fucking silent. Which means they aren't really BLM. They're BLM*
*When it fits our agenda.
The article is the essence of All Lives Matter. And that isn't a good thing.
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isnāt a choice for some people
Previous poster isn't talking about those people; but about people who do have a choice and why they should decline.
this just increases the ratio of parents in the next generation that are shitty people
Correct. But that doesn't justify dropping a child into the dumpsterfire we're turning our planet into just so they can serve as a footsoldier in the fight against it. Children aren't sacrificial lambs.
effectively strengthening fascist movements by increasing the proportionment of lil hitlers vs everyone else in the kindergarten class.
What's to say good parenting can combat that to enough of an extent to actually make a difference? It's not rare for two genuinely good people to produce a little hellspawn that grows up to be a lil hitler despite their parent's best efforts. Good parenting is certainly an important factor, but that's far from a guarantee your kid will do good with their lives. They could just as well be the next actual Hitler.
We can't outbreed stupid or evil. If abstaining from having a kid for the sake of protecting that kid from an increasingly dire hellscape is some kind of failure to delay humanity's downfall, then humanity isn't something that should be preserved.
well first, it isnāt exactly a binary continuum whether or not one has reproductive autonomy. many people are somewhere between the caricature of a literal sex slave and someone just stuck in an unhappy marriage. without any delimiters in the original comment i donāt think itās wild to assume that it does refer to these people, generallyā¦ how could it not? iām willing to bet a significant portion of the population is subjectively not exactly āchoosingā to reproduce in the same way we choose to do other things so it feels a little dismissive for you to just say these people donāt matter for the sake of your rhetoric.
second, im not really justifying have children nor did i do so originally. honestly, willful antinatalism is an incredibly obscure opinion in public discourse - most antinatalist trends are results of socioeconomic realities - so i donāt really feel the need to even attempt justifying reproducing. like i said, iād never really have kids myself. but people are going to do it no matter what i think and thereās no public opinion campaign that will ever change that, at least as humanity currently stands.
finally, im not even going to really respond to your last point. if you want to argue against the overwhelming consensus and body of evidence from academia demonstrating that who oneās parents are massively influence their outcomes in life then go ahead but i dont think anyone in your audience at that point has a brain, tbh. of course it isnt the only deciding factor. but this is like saying we should be concerned about repainting our racing stripes when the engine block is literally about to fall out. even if i concede your point that doesnāt change the fact that one of the biggest ways who someone becomes in life is determined is by who they are born to and/or raised by, therefore is one of the biggest levers by which future demographic and political trends will be decided.
& i agree the world is shit; we live in nigh apocalyptic times, but this weird overvaluing of the sanctity of human life that antinatalist do feels similar to the pearl clutching republicans have over abortion and fetuses. a sacrificial lamb? dude get over yourself. weāre all gonna die. kids die everyday. that doesnāt mean you have to retreat into cynic pessimismā¦ who are you, or any of us, to be the anubis weighing the value of souls that might come into this world? your position is just so blindingly anthropocentric and arrogant.
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Everyone, DRIVE FUCKING SLOW.
"C'mon, that'll just piss myself off." Do you think the French living under nazi occupation wouldn't love to dangle their bumper in front of every German driver that comes along?
Do 58 in a 65.
Do 41 in a 45.Don't worry, because when I see you on the road driving slow, I'll join you for solidarity. I'll keep a safe distance behind, just attempting to
navigate international waters in the South China Seadrive as slow as we legally fucking want.Stick to the rule of "Stay to the right". Don't break traffic laws. Provide no incriminating behavior beyond "slower than normal".
Let the rest of the bastards deal with it. Those bastards, whose privilege blesses them with the worst part of their day being "shitty traffic," who then arrive to the office and bitch about it to the other old ladies who share that same privilege, ALL OF WHOM proceeded to wax poetic about the nostalgia of their gun-laden childhoods the morning after another elementary classroom was shot up, yet who didn't acknowledge THE SHOOTING amongst each other.
Well tjst was a trip...
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Something I liked about the response to LA was people showing up at hotels where occupiers were staying and driving them out. There's a sort of group denunciation happening, and then also it just makes it hard to do the work - they don't have enough sleep, they have to travel farther to the intended area of action.
What about other ways to foul logistics? And what are other ways to shame/demoralize people supporting the regime? Totalitarians require everyday people to carry out their orders. The more people we peel away or disillusion the less control a totalitarian can exert.
ICE Pigs are going to have to eat regularly, so make it difficult for them. Undercook, overcook, serve it cold, spit in it, add extra onions when they ordered it without, slow service, slow delivery, refuse orders, forget ingredients, forget condiments, lose orders, short orders, etc.
Mess up EVERY meal, and it doesn't take long to start making people really unhappy.
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There was a 'single day consumer stop' recently that was just plain silly. That won't even show up on a weekly report, let alone concern even managers.
Also, if they don't know it's due to a standpoint, they will look for every other likely reason available. It needs to be a movement
wrote last edited by [email protected]Target is an interesting case study. Largely self-inflicted, but conservatives remember them having trans bathrooms and liberals remember them taking them away (not that that was the only issue, they have become blatantly racist as well). It's too narrow and too slow, but that's what results when society rejects an institution.
It would be great if we could narrowly focus on a few egregious examples and wreck them, but getting everyone to non-organically agree on who to target (no pun intended) is going to be difficult.
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The article is the essence of All Lives Matter. And that isn't a good thing.
The "All Lives" folks would conveniently skip over this bit:
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that between 2010 and 2012, on an annual basis only one in every 40,000 white Americans was a homicide victim, while the number was one in 5,000 for African-Americans."
Until BLM steps up with a "say their name" protest for every black homicide victim, they are just as full of shit as the All Lives asshats.
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Everyone, DRIVE FUCKING SLOW.
"C'mon, that'll just piss myself off." Do you think the French living under nazi occupation wouldn't love to dangle their bumper in front of every German driver that comes along?
Do 58 in a 65.
Do 41 in a 45.Don't worry, because when I see you on the road driving slow, I'll join you for solidarity. I'll keep a safe distance behind, just attempting to
navigate international waters in the South China Seadrive as slow as we legally fucking want.Stick to the rule of "Stay to the right". Don't break traffic laws. Provide no incriminating behavior beyond "slower than normal".
Let the rest of the bastards deal with it. Those bastards, whose privilege blesses them with the worst part of their day being "shitty traffic," who then arrive to the office and bitch about it to the other old ladies who share that same privilege, ALL OF WHOM proceeded to wax poetic about the nostalgia of their gun-laden childhoods the morning after another elementary classroom was shot up, yet who didn't acknowledge THE SHOOTING amongst each other.
I hope somebody runs you off the road.
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Distributed as in non centralized. Many people feel like there is nothing they can do to contribute to meaningful change, especially with how spread out Americans are, but surely there has got to be something.
Using the trend of blocking traffic as an example, I think a coordinated effort to not just block a highway in one city, but to block state routes and other arteries in many places would be more effective. Instead of one city having bad traffic for a day, it would be many towns and it would be harder to dismiss as a local problem if people across the states are engaging.
The fact that top comments on Lemmy, a sophisticated platform, still donāt provide much leverage is a little worrying. I hope we can find a collective way to raise awareness in a news blind world. Shows how far the system has worked to block out civil protest moving markers anymore. My hope is that organized non-violent marches and banners becomes so prevalent that itās impossible to ignore. Like how MAGA got its image annoyingly all over rural America.
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Everyone, DRIVE FUCKING SLOW.
"C'mon, that'll just piss myself off." Do you think the French living under nazi occupation wouldn't love to dangle their bumper in front of every German driver that comes along?
Do 58 in a 65.
Do 41 in a 45.Don't worry, because when I see you on the road driving slow, I'll join you for solidarity. I'll keep a safe distance behind, just attempting to
navigate international waters in the South China Seadrive as slow as we legally fucking want.Stick to the rule of "Stay to the right". Don't break traffic laws. Provide no incriminating behavior beyond "slower than normal".
Let the rest of the bastards deal with it. Those bastards, whose privilege blesses them with the worst part of their day being "shitty traffic," who then arrive to the office and bitch about it to the other old ladies who share that same privilege, ALL OF WHOM proceeded to wax poetic about the nostalgia of their gun-laden childhoods the morning after another elementary classroom was shot up, yet who didn't acknowledge THE SHOOTING amongst each other.
Huh turns out I was already resisting without knowing it.
It pisses me off when people accelerate so quickly off the red light and whip around me just to slam on their brakes at the next light, while I'm trying to save gas. It seems so unnecessarily dangerous.
Same thing when accelerating onto a highway or up a hill with a downhill on the other side. I get that people are in a hurry - sometimes I am too - but don't do it behind me in the right lane.
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Canāt speak for your household, but ours is already there, by necessity. Shitās gotten too damned expensive. At this point weāre buying only what we actually need with an eye on how to make it last as long as possible. And me and my wife make $140k combined.
Same. Making less but similarly the consumerism has all but died in our young family. Just healthcare and food for the most part.
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Right, that was just an example of things anyone with a couple friends could do locally that would still accumulate at scale.
A while ago people were going to banks with rolls of pennies and depositing them I to their accounts one by one.
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It has to be the employees not the state because companies withhold it and remit directly to the IRS. Not saying you should do this, but if you increase your
withholdingsexemptions then it won't go to the IRS. Though you will owe it in April and may have to pay penalties for underwitholding.Small technical correction:
To DEcrease withholdings (the dollars shown on the Fed line of your paystub)
One must INcrease exemptions claimed on Form W-4
But the rest is correct. If you underwithhold/underpay you risk penalties come April.
However, if you try to claim so many exemptions as to get to zero federal withholdings, employers are required to second-guess you and make you document the exemptions you are claiming (not all will do this but they're required to nonetheless). But if you go to very little federal withholding, just not zero, employers generally don't give a shit and will just make the payroll adjustments accordingly.
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https://www.opb.org/news/series/racenw/race-northwest-united-states-jordan-lund-portland/
reminder to everyone that that's why Jordan doesn't like BLM.
It is so unfortunate that Bureau of Land Management and Black Lives Matter are difficult to tell apart by context at first glance.
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well first, it isnāt exactly a binary continuum whether or not one has reproductive autonomy. many people are somewhere between the caricature of a literal sex slave and someone just stuck in an unhappy marriage. without any delimiters in the original comment i donāt think itās wild to assume that it does refer to these people, generallyā¦ how could it not? iām willing to bet a significant portion of the population is subjectively not exactly āchoosingā to reproduce in the same way we choose to do other things so it feels a little dismissive for you to just say these people donāt matter for the sake of your rhetoric.
second, im not really justifying have children nor did i do so originally. honestly, willful antinatalism is an incredibly obscure opinion in public discourse - most antinatalist trends are results of socioeconomic realities - so i donāt really feel the need to even attempt justifying reproducing. like i said, iād never really have kids myself. but people are going to do it no matter what i think and thereās no public opinion campaign that will ever change that, at least as humanity currently stands.
finally, im not even going to really respond to your last point. if you want to argue against the overwhelming consensus and body of evidence from academia demonstrating that who oneās parents are massively influence their outcomes in life then go ahead but i dont think anyone in your audience at that point has a brain, tbh. of course it isnt the only deciding factor. but this is like saying we should be concerned about repainting our racing stripes when the engine block is literally about to fall out. even if i concede your point that doesnāt change the fact that one of the biggest ways who someone becomes in life is determined is by who they are born to and/or raised by, therefore is one of the biggest levers by which future demographic and political trends will be decided.
& i agree the world is shit; we live in nigh apocalyptic times, but this weird overvaluing of the sanctity of human life that antinatalist do feels similar to the pearl clutching republicans have over abortion and fetuses. a sacrificial lamb? dude get over yourself. weāre all gonna die. kids die everyday. that doesnāt mean you have to retreat into cynic pessimismā¦ who are you, or any of us, to be the anubis weighing the value of souls that might come into this world? your position is just so blindingly anthropocentric and arrogant.
wrote last edited by [email protected]well first, it isnāt exactly a binary continuum whether or not one has reproductive autonomy. many people are somewhere between the caricature of a literal sex slave and someone just stuck in an unhappy marriage
Not sure why you're putting so much emphasis on this - there is a dichotomy in the sense that you can either make the choice or you can't. If you're not in the position to make the choice, it doesn't matter if you're a literal sex slave or stuck in an abusive relationship or w/e: you can't make the choice.
second, im not really justifying have children nor did i do so originally. honestly, willful antinatalism is an incredibly obscure opinion in public discourse - most antinatalist trends are results of socioeconomic realities ... but people are going to do it no matter what i think and thereās no public opinion campaign that will ever change that, at least as humanity currently stands.
Why does any of that matter in the context of choosing not to have a kid? It's an obscure opinion? Really? I've never put much weight into the whole "everyone's doing it!" style of peer pressure... having a kid for that is almost as fucked up as having one just to fight in some unwinnable battle on a dying planet. And yeah no shit people are going to keep doing it - even ignoring the ones who aren't able to make the choice, there's still an overwhelming tendency to approach that decision for selfish reasons like continuing some family legacy or having that 'little bundle of joy'. There isn't much thought into whether or not it's fair for the kid.
i donāt really feel the need to even attempt justifying reproducing. like i said, iād never really have kids myself.
You entered into this conversation doing exactly that, despite your own decision on the matter.
if you want to argue against the overwhelming consensus and body of evidence from academia demonstrating that who oneās parents are massively influence their outcomes in life then go ahead
I did not, nor will I. I said it wouldn't make a difference in the fight against fascism. Nice strawman though.
but this is like saying we should be concerned about repainting our racing stripes when the engine block is literally about to fall out.
It's saying the car is totaled. Tending to the engine or racing stripes are both a waste of time and effort.
who someone becomes in life is determined is by who they are born to and/or raised by, therefore is one of the biggest levers by which future demographic and political trends will be decided.
In a vacuum, yeah. But in the context of a society where stupid and evil breed like rabbits, casting a drop in opposition to that river isn't going to do shit. The exception being if you happen to be rich - money is ultimately what drives politics, so if you've got the income to make an impact and the means to crank out a child and put the effort into molding them into a decent person, then yeah I guess it's worth a shot. Even if they can't change anything, they'll have the means to live a life detached from the dumpster fire. That said, the venn diagram of people who are rich and people who are decent hasn't shown much overlap.
we live in nigh apocalyptic times, but this weird overvaluing of the sanctity of human life that antinatalist do feels similar to the pearl clutching republicans have over abortion and fetuses.
More strawman. I didn't say shit about the value or sanctity of human life. I hate it when people put words in my mouth - stop doing that. My stance here is ultimately about suffering, and that if you're in a position to choose whether or not create a life that's doomed to suffer the hellscape we've built for the generations after us, that the sensible decision is to simply decline.
a sacrificial lamb? dude get over yourself. weāre all gonna die. kids die everyday. that doesnāt mean you have to retreat into cynic pessimismā¦
Jfc you tell me to get over myself for adhering to an opinion built entirely on minimizing the suffering of others, then immediately shrug off people (and kids specifically) dying everyday. Again, life vs death isn't the core of the argument here, but consider the mass suffering that goes along with those and follow your own advice: get over yourself. This isn't cynic pessimism, it's pattern recognition.
who are you, or any of us, to be the anubis weighing the value of souls that might come into this world?
I don't give a fuck about souls or anubis or any other mythology. Those things are fun in videogames or w/e, but don't belong in conversations like this one. I care about suffering, climate collapse, this global surge in popularity of authoritarianism: those things are real, and increasing at rate that doesn't exactly make our world a suitable place to raise a child.
But who am I, you, or anyone else reading this to make the decision to have a kid? A potential parent, of course.
your position is just so blindingly anthropocentric and arrogant.
How so? You are the one arguing in favor sending our spawn into a life of misery so they can solve humanity's problems, for the sole sake of humanity itself, without regard to what that means for the individual kid. That seems pretty anthropocentric and arrogant to me. You're projecting.
