Insuranace is a joke
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Insurance covers damage to the other party if you were at fault, any medical issues. To only see its value for taking care of your own car and nothing else is short sighted and ignorant.
Liability only means your insurance pays the other car, you pay your own damages. I got liability only on my very old car. Our safer car that is driven by my wife and which carries the kids that one has comprehensive. It would cover both parties.... Get this, up to Tue great sum of 100,000.00! Anything beyond that you are on your own buddy!
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What do you mean 'the insurance'? The other parties insurance, right? They usually have to provide an equivalent replacement, accepting a payment should be your choice. Dont know what its like in your specific case though.
Yeah the other party's insurance is like, well here's 9000 bucks for your car. So it means that if you're driving a passenger van you can get hit by some idiot and then end up driving your family in a beat up mini cooper! Yey! You know, because your van is old. Its your fault that you have chosen to ride something affordable vs wanting to pay a car mortgage like a smart person.
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What do you mean 'the insurance'? The other parties insurance, right? They usually have to provide an equivalent replacement, accepting a payment should be your choice. Dont know what its like in your specific case though.
When it's totaled, then you get a cash payoff for what they declare it to be worth. It being the other person's insurance does give you a bit more leverage than is it were your own.
At least in my case, I was able to negotiate a bit and got the other person's insurance to at least go up to paying the blue book retail for mint condition of the car. They also tossed in a few thousand for pain and suffering and covered a full month of rental car. In my case someone in the other car was unresponsive and needed an ambulance ride, and on my part I had been very thorough in documenting everything that legally would count including damaged contents in the trunk, missed work, and other things.
However ultimately it is a check and car sales can be rough. So it may be that they were underpaid, or that the car's general book value didn't match their subjective value for the car, or they were thinking they should get what they paid for it. I could imagine if they bought a 2015 in 2019, they were probably getting a decent, off lease practically new car. Now they have a check appropriate for buying a 2015 of the same make and model and the 2015s now available are in worse shape than they kept their own, previous owners that neglected their car over a longer period.
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My wifes car was $20,000 used back in 2019. Now after basically 10 years it gets hit. The insurance declares it totalled. So the car can't be legally driven. The insurance will only pay us $9000. But now we're trying to buy a replacement and for the same model year they are asking 16000!
WTF! What's insurance for? Its just a tax. I much rather save to pay for my own car and have some sort of insurance that really actually covers the other driver.
Farmer this and state farm that and whatever General lizard, all are total bullshit regardless if you caused the accident or if you're are the victim.
They should call it "pay slightly less than full price if you fucked up your car"
Something similar happened to me, luckily I had decided to get the gap insurance, that makes the difference.
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My wifes car was $20,000 used back in 2019. Now after basically 10 years it gets hit. The insurance declares it totalled. So the car can't be legally driven. The insurance will only pay us $9000. But now we're trying to buy a replacement and for the same model year they are asking 16000!
WTF! What's insurance for? Its just a tax. I much rather save to pay for my own car and have some sort of insurance that really actually covers the other driver.
Farmer this and state farm that and whatever General lizard, all are total bullshit regardless if you caused the accident or if you're are the victim.
They should call it "pay slightly less than full price if you fucked up your car"
Insurance isn’t a joke, it’s a giant scam. Their entire business model is to give you less than you put in. And they make insane amounts of money doing it. No choice though, as it is basically legally required to exist in society.
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Insurance covers damage to the other party if you were at fault, any medical issues. To only see its value for taking care of your own car and nothing else is short sighted and ignorant.
Not true if you are in a no fault state. In Florida, diesn matter who's at fault....you go through your own insurance and bear the coat of increased premiums ...even if its 100% other guts fault.
Had a car totalled. 2018 elantra. Ins gave me 8k, black book value.... But a replacement could not be found for less than 17k for same model, blue book value+dealer profit shit.
Wtf.
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My wifes car was $20,000 used back in 2019. Now after basically 10 years it gets hit. The insurance declares it totalled. So the car can't be legally driven. The insurance will only pay us $9000. But now we're trying to buy a replacement and for the same model year they are asking 16000!
WTF! What's insurance for? Its just a tax. I much rather save to pay for my own car and have some sort of insurance that really actually covers the other driver.
Farmer this and state farm that and whatever General lizard, all are total bullshit regardless if you caused the accident or if you're are the victim.
They should call it "pay slightly less than full price if you fucked up your car"
To be salty: you seem kinda bad at math.
2019 was.six years ago, not "basically ten". Which wouldnt matter, if the rest of your post didn't have such "if the raise put me in the next tax bracket I'd actually lose money" energy.
Car insurance is typically for the market value of your car as-s. Not the price for a car from the same model year that has a dealer's warranty behind it.
Or to put it another way: insurance should pay out the amount you could get if you sold your car, not the cost to buy another similar car.
Now, there are insurance companies that will sell you "replacement cost" insurance, but this always means they're charging a higher premium than they otherwise would.
And you're absolutely right that insurance companies categorically suck. Auto insurance is actually the friendliest one that regularly has to pay out. Health insurance is even worse.
(Sorry for being so salty.)
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Yeah we got a lawyer. It's annoying to have to do that because by default the insurance companies don't want to do what they're supposed to be doing.
Definitely. The business model for basically all of the insurance industry - denying as many claims as possible directly contributing to the margin of the company - is fundamentally broken. A real pity on account of how good and beautiful the core idea of insurance is.
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To be salty: you seem kinda bad at math.
2019 was.six years ago, not "basically ten". Which wouldnt matter, if the rest of your post didn't have such "if the raise put me in the next tax bracket I'd actually lose money" energy.
Car insurance is typically for the market value of your car as-s. Not the price for a car from the same model year that has a dealer's warranty behind it.
Or to put it another way: insurance should pay out the amount you could get if you sold your car, not the cost to buy another similar car.
Now, there are insurance companies that will sell you "replacement cost" insurance, but this always means they're charging a higher premium than they otherwise would.
And you're absolutely right that insurance companies categorically suck. Auto insurance is actually the friendliest one that regularly has to pay out. Health insurance is even worse.
(Sorry for being so salty.)
Shut up, nerd!
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To be salty: you seem kinda bad at math.
2019 was.six years ago, not "basically ten". Which wouldnt matter, if the rest of your post didn't have such "if the raise put me in the next tax bracket I'd actually lose money" energy.
Car insurance is typically for the market value of your car as-s. Not the price for a car from the same model year that has a dealer's warranty behind it.
Or to put it another way: insurance should pay out the amount you could get if you sold your car, not the cost to buy another similar car.
Now, there are insurance companies that will sell you "replacement cost" insurance, but this always means they're charging a higher premium than they otherwise would.
And you're absolutely right that insurance companies categorically suck. Auto insurance is actually the friendliest one that regularly has to pay out. Health insurance is even worse.
(Sorry for being so salty.)
Its OK to be salty. I like my beans salty, lemony and spicy. I'm not saying you're a bean and I want to eat you in a burrito. I'm just saying you're alright.
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Insurance isn’t a joke, it’s a giant scam. Their entire business model is to give you less than you put in. And they make insane amounts of money doing it. No choice though, as it is basically legally required to exist in society.
Most insurance companies see very slim margins, it's just that even slim profits stack when you have millions of customers.
Plus, they have to put fat money in the bank to covers disasters. Problem being, after too many disasters they pull out of your state (America). I don't know the fix. I don't want to pay for California wildfires anymore than they want to pay for our hurricanes. I see a global warming future where we won't be able to get insurance unless it's a crappy government deal.
Hell, maybe that will be better. At least the government has to follow the rules they set, can't wiggle out of payments like private enterprise.
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Not true if you are in a no fault state. In Florida, diesn matter who's at fault....you go through your own insurance and bear the coat of increased premiums ...even if its 100% other guts fault.
Had a car totalled. 2018 elantra. Ins gave me 8k, black book value.... But a replacement could not be found for less than 17k for same model, blue book value+dealer profit shit.
Wtf.
Florida here, did not know that. I had thought "no fault" meant that the cop on the scene could judge an accident to be "no fault", no one party was liable.
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Its OK to be salty. I like my beans salty, lemony and spicy. I'm not saying you're a bean and I want to eat you in a burrito. I'm just saying you're alright.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The minimum liability insurance isn't a scam. If you hit someone and cripple them you'll be glad for insurance to pay their medical etc...
Comprehensive is absolutely a scam. Just take the money and save it, maybe buy some bonds. Then when it's time to buy a new car (or when you get your car totaled) you're already half way to a new car.
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The minimum liability insurance isn't a scam. If you hit someone and cripple them you'll be glad for insurance to pay their medical etc...
Comprehensive is absolutely a scam. Just take the money and save it, maybe buy some bonds. Then when it's time to buy a new car (or when you get your car totaled) you're already half way to a new car.
Cars totally suck by the way. We went to a dealership to see one of the trade-in used cars and the 20 minute trip turned into a 4 hour car ride in stop and go traffic.
Cars suck, Seattle traffic sucks, insurance sucks. One word of advice.... Don't come to Seattle. If you do, don't bring a car there. That's the only saving Grace about Seattle, there's no parking. To fix the traffic problem simply close the streets going to downtown.
Yeah definitely need a well named insurance... "Pay little" or maybe "screw everyone" insurance. Sorry, just being salty about it.
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The car isn't always the most expensive part of a collision.
Anything that requires one or more person to go to the hospital will dwarf the value of the car before the gurney gets all the way in the building.
Your maturity, reasoning, and understanding makes me sick.
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Most insurance companies see very slim margins, it's just that even slim profits stack when you have millions of customers.
Plus, they have to put fat money in the bank to covers disasters. Problem being, after too many disasters they pull out of your state (America). I don't know the fix. I don't want to pay for California wildfires anymore than they want to pay for our hurricanes. I see a global warming future where we won't be able to get insurance unless it's a crappy government deal.
Hell, maybe that will be better. At least the government has to follow the rules they set, can't wiggle out of payments like private enterprise.
At least the government has to follow the rules they set, can't wiggle out of payments like private enterprise.
Oh my sweet summer child.
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At least the government has to follow the rules they set, can't wiggle out of payments like private enterprise.
Oh my sweet summer child.
LOL, I get you! But at the day-to-day bureaucrat level, there's no, "Let me talk to your manager!" The rules are the rules, no matter if they're insane in your particular case, the bureaucrat cannot make exceptions. Which is my pet theory as to why so many hate the government.
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LOL, I get you! But at the day-to-day bureaucrat level, there's no, "Let me talk to your manager!" The rules are the rules, no matter if they're insane in your particular case, the bureaucrat cannot make exceptions. Which is my pet theory as to why so many hate the government.
Sometimes the rules are just dumb.
Ooh I've got a couple fun "fucking bureaucracy" stories with the MA RMV and the RI DMV...
I bought a car in MA in 2014. Lived in RI at the time. Registered it in RI, paid RI sales tax at the dealer to register it. As one does. You cannot register a car without paying the tax.
Owned it for 4 or 5 years when I moved to MA. When I tried to register it here, they wanted me to pay sales tax on the original purchase price in MA. That's the law, unless I could prove that I paid RI sales tax.
"It was registered in RI by the dealer, ipso facto I must've paid tax" wasn't enough. I needed a form from the dealer.
I had my original paperwork all in a file at home. None of the documents were what they were looking for.
The dealership was still there, but had changed hands in the interim. I called every day for like 2 weeks trying to see if they could find the form. "We will give you a call in the morning". I had to call them in the afternoon because they never called me.
Eventually, I'm pretty sure they just forged the form to get me to stop calling them. Whatever, it was enough to let me register the car without paying tax on a 6 year old car, based on the value of when it was 1 year old.
When I was a teen, my dad bought an old Datsun off some guy off Craigslist as a project car. It wasn't even in one piece. It was immobile, hadn't been started in years. Squirrel den. Came with about 3 pallets stacked a good 4-5 feet high full of parts.
It was an antique (by state law, 25 years old) when he bought it. I'm pretty sure when we bought it, the law was that cars over 10 years old could be registered without a title. I may be mistaken.
This car...did not have a title. And it was not at all road-worthy, so registering it was never on his radar.
We worked on it for quite a while over the course of...probably a couple of years. Eventually got it quite road worthy and street legal and looking quite good.
By the time we went to register it, though, the title was now needed. The bill of sale from prior to that law didn't matter. Title was necessary.
The guy that he bought the car from was dead. Like, actually dead, we tried to track him down to see if possibly he had it, and all we could find was his obit.
So now he has this car with a couple of years of our blood, sweat, and tears in it...and the DMV is saying it can't be driven.
I'm not really sure how he ended up resolving that. I think he just shared his story with enough of his circle (pre-Facebook) that he found "a guy who knows a guy" who helped him grease the right palms. Typical Rhode Island.
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The minimum liability insurance isn't a scam. If you hit someone and cripple them you'll be glad for insurance to pay their medical etc...
Comprehensive is absolutely a scam. Just take the money and save it, maybe buy some bonds. Then when it's time to buy a new car (or when you get your car totaled) you're already half way to a new car.
It might be worth it if you have a Jeep for the glass replacement alone, though
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Insurance covers damage to the other party if you were at fault, any medical issues. To only see its value for taking care of your own car and nothing else is short sighted and ignorant.
That's only liability insurance, though.