Happy #GlobalSwitchDay
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Jurisdiction is not that important. Even if it was in Switzerland it'd have to comply with international law enforcement and warrants. The key is that sure Signal is obliged to give out whatever data it has, but the point is that it doesn't have much useful data to give.
Oh and btw the same goes for instances of the fediverse (which are ran by volunteers you need to trust), and if they don't comply and the US government really wants to break into them they probably will find a way. Doesn't even need some complicated backdoors or anything it just needs to find an OPSEC slip-up, do some social engineering, arrest someone or at worst find a bug to exploit, and I can guarantee that unless you have some serious security wizards running your instance you're not beating the FBI there and if the FBI is really persistent and focused on you for some reason then the wizards won't be enough you need state actors.
If your threat model actually includes the US government (aka you're actually in danger and not some paranoia or just-in-case situation, be realistic with yourself) and there's credible threats you may be targeted by it or other governments then you're probably going to be using tor, briar, all that jazz, and wouldn't be on lemmy. If you're just some guy who just needs to message your family and shit Signal is perfectly fine, I can tell you that unless you're a serious threat to the government they won't waste resources cracking down ways to capture you via signal or whatever you use, even if you're a minority or activist, if not because you're not important enough then because they have other easier ways to do it.
(oh btw "We are in X country which is not in N eyes" is just marketing)
Why do you say this? There are real data-sharing agreements between the Eyes.
Doesn't even need some complicated backdoors or anything it just needs to find an OPSEC slip-up
This already happened with kolektiva, unfortunately, but from what I hear they've since strengthened their security.
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It’s funny how things work out.
I’ve spent years checking social media multiple times per day, and due to current (and not so current) events, I initially just deleted twitter. I tried mastodon, but it was a complete echo chamber. Twitter on the other hand was 25% bots and 50% porn, so I just deleted it. Turns out I didn’t miss it.
I recently did the same with Instagram, Facebook, TikTok and Snapchat. Guess what, not missing those either.
Facebook messenger is tough to get rid of though. I have kids that attend after school activities, and there aren’t really any easy fixes. I doubt I can successfully persuade 100+ people to migrate to signal just because of my political crusade.
It’s not being helped by the fact that ~75% of the people here use iPhones, so most communication not going through messenger goes through iMessage. Last I checked I knew a total of 4 people on signal, despite having 50+ people i regularly communicate with over messenger or iMessage.
I doubt I can successfully persuade 100+ people to migrate to signal just because of my political crusade.
Don't know till you try! And if you're playing the long game, you don't need to convince 100+ people -- the more individuals that join, the easier it will become to convince everyone else to make the switch too.
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People moving from Xitter to Bluesky don’t understand why they moved. They have no clue.
They understand Twitter sucks now and it feels more peaceful on BlueSky.
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This time it will be different, because... err it is not the same time as last time
Twitter was alright up until Elon took over so I’m willing to hang out until the billionaire psychopath swoops in.
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PeerTube appears to be completely devoid of content
no, there's tons of furries, like the rest of the fediverse. >.>
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How is signal considered part of the fediverse?
It should be something like SimpleX
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has anyone tried Friendica? is it devoid of people?
That’s ironic
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Based on the interaction with the app. The features are extensive. There's no ads. My data has most likely been leaked by American companies anyways, so what's the big deal?
The thread was about Global Switch Day, whose purpose is to leave proprietary social media for ones that won’t sell your data or get enshittified. So Rednote being proprietary already makes it irrelevant to the discussion.
Even if it actually was better than mainstream social media at the moment, it would still at the same risk of being enshittified due to that. It’s just a bandaid solution, like people leaving Twitter for Bluesky.
And besides that, most sources I found say Rednote does have ads.
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but I no longer believe that it is possible to build a competitive federated messenger at all.
The fact that we have a telephone system that works with separate providers contradicts this sentiment. If I want to pick up the phone and talk to my cousin's puppy in New Zealand, I can do that without creating an account on his provider's service.
I don't understand why we've forgotten this as a society. Yes, it was difficult to upgrade the phone systems over the past century, but it's worth it in my opinion. I really wish we'd start seeing government regulation that says "you should be able to talk to someone on a service without having to create an account on said service." I thought the DMA would do this, but sadly, Whatsapp still requires an account to talk to people using that service. Very disappointing.
How is the puppy?
As for interoperability between services… Monetization of surveillance data. The social media companies are Ad companies, and they make their money surveilling people and selling access. It’s harder to build an accurate model of a person when only pieces of data is available, and they need to have more data then the other Ad tech companies they’re competing with.
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the new cryptographic protocol protects metadata, like signal. the servers know nothing about any encrypted chats
So the guy above the guy avobe me was wrong?
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Zero trust means there’s no trust assumed on the protocol - I.e. it distrusts all actors and the protocol takes steps to work in that trustless environment. I don’t know how that applies specifically to matrix.
So the guy above the guy avobe me was supposedly wrong?
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(oh btw "We are in X country which is not in N eyes" is just marketing)
Why do you say this? There are real data-sharing agreements between the Eyes.
Doesn't even need some complicated backdoors or anything it just needs to find an OPSEC slip-up
This already happened with kolektiva, unfortunately, but from what I hear they've since strengthened their security.
- There's data-sharing agreements with more than just the N eyes countries
- If there's an international warrant for that data the company is obliged to comply regardless
The only countries in which n° 2 doesn't apply for the US are countries you really don't want your data in either.
In short, however: if a government really wants your data it will find a way to get it no matter where you store that data, so the best thing is to simply not store that data at all, Mullvad and Signal don't do that.
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The thread was about Global Switch Day, whose purpose is to leave proprietary social media for ones that won’t sell your data or get enshittified. So Rednote being proprietary already makes it irrelevant to the discussion.
Even if it actually was better than mainstream social media at the moment, it would still at the same risk of being enshittified due to that. It’s just a bandaid solution, like people leaving Twitter for Bluesky.
And besides that, most sources I found say Rednote does have ads.
Good point. I've never seen an ad on it and I've been using it for at least a week. There's sponsored content, but you'd have to go looking for it. Like if I wanted to watch some videos about Nike shoes, I'd see sponsored videos and such. But no actual ads.
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Interesting. Is there a client you could recommend for Android?
Unfortunately, I don't know. I read that mobile apps for it are few and far between? There may only be one or no app for Friendica on each platform. I think I also read that there are a couple of apps in beta at the moment?
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I actually think the facebook format is great, and I miss it despite having NO desire to use anything meta owns.
Friendica has the unenviable position of trying to convince people what sucked about facebook was not inherent to the format of social network.
I need to try it out!
I agree that the Facebook format is fine. The real problem with them is the algorithms. Oh, and all the data harvesting, advertising, and now bots pretending to be real people? I guess everything else about Facebook is terrible except the format!
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So the guy above the guy avobe me was wrong?
sorta, the old clients still have bad cryptography and the new client isn't fully featured yet
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Let’s say the US gov starts agressively prosecuting dissidents and certain minorities (they already do): can and should we still use signal in this case?
Definitely no. Russian government already is aggressively prosecuting dissidents and you can't join Signal there. I don't know whether it's due to sanctions or if the government is blocking 2FA SMS messages. In either case, it is impossible to join without a phone number confirmation. At least I wasn't able to. I don't see the USA being that far off with all the recent TikTok drama.
you can't join Signal there. I don't know whether it's due to sanctions or if the government is blocking 2FA SMS messages. In either case, it is impossible to join without a phone number confirmation.
What do you mean? You need a phone number to join Signal in any country.
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Email is a shitty protocol we should abandon
I need to use email to work
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So the guy above the guy avobe me was supposedly wrong?
Like I said, I don’t know the inner workings of Matrix. But according to the second guy that isn’t you, Matrix has a new tech stack that is zero trust. Now, there are many ways in which that can be true and I don’t know if what Matrix has right now can indeed be considered dissident-level privacy.
It’s good enough for my threat level (I basically just use it for software support). If I were planning to overthrow a regime, I’d likely go with SimpleX or some other privacy-first messengers.
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I agree that the Facebook format is fine. The real problem with them is the algorithms. Oh, and all the data harvesting, advertising, and now bots pretending to be real people? I guess everything else about Facebook is terrible except the format!
When people say the fediverse is too confusing I think most of the time in the specific it is good and vital feedback (please let us continue to dismantle the ways in which we participate in systems of anti-accessibility without sometimes even being aware) but sometimes I think the viewpoint might have everything backwards in the beginning assumption that this hurdle, fundamentally an issue of education, has any easy, universal, infinitely scalable genuine solution like corporate social networks attempt to convince us exists and is just around the corner.
Why are we assuming any solution that can be "growth hacked" like a factorio factory is capable of preserving the values that motivated communities to adopt those tools in the first place?
Like, maybe maybe-not....
