Mexican President Threatens to Sue Google Over 'Gulf of America' Label on Maps.
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You have to hit them in the wallet. Every time Trump does or says anything about tariffs, just starting increasing tariffs on all Tesla products.
We can't hit Trump directly but we can hit his little friends quite easily.
Musk will have an absolute meltdown on twitter of course, but if you just ignore him he'll give up. He's already shown that he is prepared to back down if he's actually facing financial penalties.
Tragically we have a dried apricot ceding power to the highest bidder. There isn't much for other countries to do directly unless they are bidding directly for "sock puppet time" or getting in a pissing match with a clown that makes a juggalo look smart.
This is more about controlling (collateral) damage: in this case megacorps "kissing the ring" via stupid shit like Google is doing presently. Countries can fuck with corporations far easier than we can (guess who paid for sock puppet time...)
Google is clearly attempting to make themselves more "saleable" to the ruling party by dropping things like month names or renaming universally accepted names of global features. Right now their -baseline- is where we are at currently. A lawsuit does next to nothing. It's an operating cost. A country threatening to blacklist their service will hit them cleanly in the only thing that matters: their shareholders. Our biggest corporations have time and again rolled over for this tactic. They may have elevated themselves to a godlike status within the states but they are vulnerable outside our shores.
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Since when is the big tech the arbiter of truth? It might come as a surprise to you, but Google and Apple don't care about your holy war against Trump.
You think Google and Apple should call it the Gulf of America?
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Maybe. I'm on wifi provided by a Mexican telecom. It's probably my US sim. The comment i replied to said "it shows as this in mexico" and my point was, no, not for everyone. I'm not interested enough to try to nail down the exact reason.
If it's in english and it shows up like that then it's most likely because you have your language set to english (USA).
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This is stupid. Google is doing it with their normal process, labeling the USA as a sensitive country in their system and changing the label only for the sensitive snowflakes. So there is no harm to Mexicans in Mexico.
What sort of damages would she assert anyway? That her country suffers in a significant way from a Google Maps label that can only be seen from the sensitive country? How so?
And if it's a political move what is she hoping to achieve? Google will never cave to the USA before Mexico, they depend more on their US operations than their Mexican ones. So she can't achieve anything politically. Does she want to draw even more attention to a losing fight? A losing fight over mere symbolism no less? Why?
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This is stupid. Google is doing it with their normal process, labeling the USA as a sensitive country in their system and changing the label only for the sensitive snowflakes. So there is no harm to Mexicans in Mexico.
What sort of damages would she assert anyway? That her country suffers in a significant way from a Google Maps label that can only be seen from the sensitive country? How so?
And if it's a political move what is she hoping to achieve? Google will never cave to the USA before Mexico, they depend more on their US operations than their Mexican ones. So she can't achieve anything politically. Does she want to draw even more attention to a losing fight? A losing fight over mere symbolism no less? Why?
The Gulf of America label can be seen worldwide as it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)
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Do it honey. Make em pay for suckin orange ass
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The Gulf of America label can be seen worldwide as it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)
Oh, sorry. You're right. I was wrong on that point. I didn't realize it showed the sensitive label in parenthesis to others.
I would maintain the rest of the argument though, with the Mexican (and global) point of view being the more prominently displayed, there is no significant harm, and she doesn't stand to gain anything from pursuing a civil case, nor politically.
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It's stupid, but it's not that extreme. Countries have different names for things. For example, Germany calls the Baltic Sea "Ostsee" (lit. east sea) and Lake Constance 'Bodensee" (lit. bottom sea) but those things are only at the bottom and east for Germany.
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It's stupid, but it's not that extreme. Countries have different names for things. For example, Germany calls the Baltic Sea "Ostsee" (lit. east sea) and Lake Constance 'Bodensee" (lit. bottom sea) but those things are only at the bottom and east for Germany.
There's a slight difference in that "Ostsee" is the common name. If the German chancellor decides to call it "Deutsche See" tomorrow, the name would continue to be "Ostsee", because that's how language usually works.
"Gulf of America" is just a dictator's wish of a common name. The people of OpenStreetMap decided to use the tag "official_name:en_US" for that reason, while keeping "Gulf of Mexico" for the commonly used "name:en-US".
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Everyone needs to get used to ignoring this bullshit. The Gulf of America thing isn't important. It doesn't effect anyone, and there's far too many posts about it when there are real things to pay attention to. This is purely a distraction. Stop giving it attention.
Reality has to BE.
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TIL…
The abbreviation E.E.U.U. (often written as EE. UU.) stands for Estados Unidos (United States) in Spanish. This abbreviation follows a grammatical rule in Spanish where doubling the initial letters of each word indicates plurality
So you taught me something today I did not know. Thank you!!
Interestingly (or not) it's also used in French but only in one case that I'm aware of. Monsieur is abbreviated to M. while messieurs (plural) is MM.
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There's a slight difference in that "Ostsee" is the common name. If the German chancellor decides to call it "Deutsche See" tomorrow, the name would continue to be "Ostsee", because that's how language usually works.
"Gulf of America" is just a dictator's wish of a common name. The people of OpenStreetMap decided to use the tag "official_name:en_US" for that reason, while keeping "Gulf of Mexico" for the commonly used "name:en-US".
My point is the names are different in different places. At some point, people named things from their perspective irregardless of what others, including those living adjacent to the thing cal it
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Are you seriously suggesting nothing whatsoever would happen if Google just didn't update their maps to the new name?
I'm suggesting that if Trump wants to be the one to cross the Rubicon, let Trump be the one to cross it. No need to meet him on the other side first.
In theory yes, Google should face no consequences for publishing an inaccurate map. There's actually an old tradition of publishing maps with at least 1 inaccuracy in order to catch forgeries, which has never been a legal issue in the US. It shouldn't be any more controversial than a published document choosing to call Jerusalem "Al-Quds"
In practice, I imagine Trump will throw a tantrum and try to argue that Google doesn't have the right to say no to him. And if that's the stance he wants to take, disregarding the constitutional protections that Google ought to have, let his administration waste time and resources arguing that in the courts. If he wins, then we can all stop pretending the constitution means anything, and if he loses, it's a blow to his ego, resources wasted, and we can turn the focus on other companies to say they have an ethical obligation to change the names back.
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Why bother with this? If you want to make a point, pass regulation in Mexico to call E.E.U.U. (US in Mexico) be called Northern Mexico. Then Google is forced to comply on that territory like they claim they do for disputed sections when maps are viewed from that region. It would make for some funny reactions from people visiting Cancun or Puerto Vallarta.
If we’re going to play that demagogic game, why not make “United States of America” be shown as “United States of North America” to reclaim the continent name back? Companies will comply if it’s an official request.
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I can see Google (and Apple) quietly paying this fine and changing it for Mexico (and any other jurisdiction that asks).
This is stupid and cowardly of them, but that aside, the implication is 100% “comply, or the US government will make life difficult for Google.” I can see how they’re stuck between a rock and a hard place.
The new name shows only for USA. In Mexico it’s unchanged, or shown with both names.
Our president is dumb and just wants to look like she’s fighting back.
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Where will the lawsuit be filed in?
Mexican courts? Good luck getting an American company to comply.
US Courts, well... surely no judge would be biased right? glances at the composition of the US Supreme court
International Courts? Lol like they have any power at all.
Reminds me of The Expanse:
"Earth Court? Mars Court? What Inner court gives Belters justice?"
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Where will the lawsuit be filed in?
Mexican courts? Good luck getting an American company to comply.
US Courts, well... surely no judge would be biased right? glances at the composition of the US Supreme court
International Courts? Lol like they have any power at all.
Reminds me of The Expanse:
"Earth Court? Mars Court? What Inner court gives Belters justice?"
First, what laws are violated? Doubt international law touches this, US law maybe?
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Where will the lawsuit be filed in?
Mexican courts? Good luck getting an American company to comply.
US Courts, well... surely no judge would be biased right? glances at the composition of the US Supreme court
International Courts? Lol like they have any power at all.
Reminds me of The Expanse:
"Earth Court? Mars Court? What Inner court gives Belters justice?"
Mexican courts? Good luck getting an American company to comply.
Why not? Brazilian courts ordered Twitter to ban some people, Twitter refused, court treated to jail Brazilian Twitter legal representatives, Twitter closed their Brazilian office to shield itself from Brazilian courts, Brazilian courts ordered ISPs to block Twitter because they had no legal representatives on the country, after a couple of weeks without Brazilian access Twitter bow down, rehired their legal representatives and complied with Brazilian court orders.
Don't see why Mexican courts couldn't do the same with Google Maps.
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Everyone needs to get used to ignoring this bullshit. The Gulf of America thing isn't important. It doesn't effect anyone, and there's far too many posts about it when there are real things to pay attention to. This is purely a distraction. Stop giving it attention.
Out with the oldspeak. In with the newspeak.
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Mexican courts? Good luck getting an American company to comply.
Why not? Brazilian courts ordered Twitter to ban some people, Twitter refused, court treated to jail Brazilian Twitter legal representatives, Twitter closed their Brazilian office to shield itself from Brazilian courts, Brazilian courts ordered ISPs to block Twitter because they had no legal representatives on the country, after a couple of weeks without Brazilian access Twitter bow down, rehired their legal representatives and complied with Brazilian court orders.
Don't see why Mexican courts couldn't do the same with Google Maps.
By "comply", I mean like getting them to revert the map rename. Kicking them out and blocking them isn't really getting them to "comply"
By contrast, if the US government wanted Google to do something, they could storm their headquarters and get the government tech people to go in the servers and change it.
