Mexican President Threatens to Sue Google Over 'Gulf of America' Label on Maps.
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We did it with Lemmy. It CAN be done!
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So you are gonna have to provide a source explaining how the president using an executive order to rename international water is “policy” that Google must follow.
Exactly
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It’s a US company following US policy as it’s a contract holder for the US Government they’re compelled to follow US policy. Whether anyone likes it or not, at least for right now, US policy is that the Gulf of Mexico for all intents and purposes is the Gulf of America.
We have a bunch of amendments...go look at the first.
I think you KNOW it's because Pichai was there and is part of that club now.
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So you are gonna have to provide a source explaining how the president using an executive order to rename international water is “policy” that Google must follow.
It's the executive branch. It would be the same as if Congress did the same, and passed a law saying "The Gulf of Mexico is now the Gulf of America." There's no source required, it's literally how the US Government works, but if you want one; American University Law Review (2009) - The Limits of Executive Power:
The President has broad discretion in choosing how to exercise these implied powers. Second, these implied powers are not plenary in nature. They are subject to three basic limitations: (1) the President may not, without congressional authorization, use these powers to change domestic law or create or alter existing legal obligations; (2) these powers are subject to regulation by Congress; and (3) in the event of a conflict between the exercise of these powers and congressional legislation, the latter prevails.
There's no federal law establishing the name of the Gulf of Mexico, so there's no conflict with the first limitation. No one in Congress is willing to stop him, so no conflict with the second. And there's no conflict with existing congressional legislation, so there's no conflict with the third. So therefore the executive order is within the power of the executive branch.
Because Google is a US company and operates within the US, it has to follow US policy. The President just changed US policy to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico... So they either have to comply or be sued by the executive for not following US policy--which they'll lose.
They you’ll have to explain why I, as a Canadian, have to see this stupid renaming in parentheses.
Because again, Google is a US company. So if you want to see Gulf of Mexico again, use any map provider that isn't from a US company.
If the US truely doesn’t have a system beyond “once the president orders it, it’s renamed.”
That's an extreme oversimplification of what's going on here. But it kinda outlines how important it is to elect good people, huh?
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The executive order doesn't conflict with anyone's freedom of speech... The President didn't release an executive order saying "no one is allowed to call it the Gulf of Mexico anymore!"
I'm not going to type it all out again, but here you go: https://lemm.ee/post/55471251/18276179
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Here you go;
American University Law Review (2009) - The Limits of Executive Power:
The President has broad discretion in choosing how to exercise these implied powers. Second, these implied powers are not plenary in nature. They are subject to three basic limitations: (1) the President may not, without congressional authorization, use these powers to change domestic law or create or alter existing legal obligations; (2) these powers are subject to regulation by Congress; and (3) in the event of a conflict between the exercise of these powers and congressional legislation, the latter prevails.
There's no conflict and therefore within the power of the executive branch.
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That's fully within the right of Mexico as a country, but that has nothing to do with anything that I've said here.
Going forward, the official US policy (because of this executive order) is that it's the Gulf of America. No amount of suing Google will change that.
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It doesn't "rename" anything. It means the official US position is that the Gulf of Mexico doesn't exist and instead it's the Gulf of America. It's not forcing anyone to call it that other than for official purposes, like in Governmental memos and official US documents, least of all foreign Governments or their people.
The US doesn't own the Gulf. We can't unilaterally change the name. But when the US Government officially refers to the Gulf, it will now be called the Gulf of America. That's what the executive order did.
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Because it's relevant to the region you're looking at and I'm pretty sure the UK hasn't taken a firm/legal stance either way. Also not sure how your comment is supposed to relate to my point? Mexico doesn't have any more right to tell other countries what to call the Gulf than the US or any other country that's totally outside of any sane jurisdiction
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That's literally what I said my dude, you're just arguing semantics over the use of "renaming"
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Google also removed the ability to suggest edits to specifically the Gulf.
Guess they knew ahead of time they'd get an influx of requests to change or back.
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Exactly. If there were perfectly interchangeable alternatives, there would have been a true competition and those companies wouldn't be holding the amount of power they do today in the first place.
Moving to alternatives requires some degree of effort and giving up on some microconforts. There's no other way. There's no fight without any pain. If we want to fight those companies, we must sacrifice those micro conforts, even if that means reducing tech use as a whole and doing a few things the "old fashioned" way.
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Following your logic Lake Michigan should be renamed Lake America. There's a bunch of lakes up there, do they all get renamed Lake of America? Seems confusing!
Here's a list of all the gulfs in the Americas:
North America
- Gulf of Mexico
- Gulf of Alaska
- Gulf of California (Sea of Cortes)
- Gulf of St. Lawrence
- Gulf of Honduras
- Gulf of Panama
- Gulf of Tehuantepec
Central and South America
- Gulf of Darien (Colombia and Panama)
- Gulf of Venezuela
- Gulf of Guayaquil (Ecuador)
Following your logic, they're all badly named because that's just named after the region they're in, not the content.
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It's not at all what you just said. Because it's not renaming.
I honestly don't know how to make this any simpler to digest for you. The EO changes the way the Gulf of Mexico is referenced in official correspondence for the Federal Government. It does not change the name for anyone but the federal government. That's not the same as renaming it. The US doesn't own it and can't rename it.
Google is a Government contractor and is required to follow US policy to keep those contracts, which is why they've also changed it...
Truly I can't make it any simpler.
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There is an international maritime treaty that has taken a firm legal stance. Trump is defying it.
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Dems and useless virtue-signaling. Name a better duo
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You are ignoring it, because you won't address what I said about Denali and forts named after Confederate generals.
You apparently didn't even bother reading what I wrote.
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But it kinda makes sense to be called Gulf of America since it's located in North America.
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It also kind of makes sense to leave the name in place since the world has been calling it the "Gulf of Mexico" mid-1500s. The original name was in reference to the Aztecs.
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Can you site something for what you're talking about?
