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US fab construction costs twice as much, takes twice as long as Taiwan

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    Yep that 24/7 round-the-clock construction and experience in Taiwan surely would contribute significantly to the difference.

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      “Free trade” means letting everyone do what they’re best at and then exchange the goods they produce. This is so that everybody is focused on what works best in their country, everything is done as well and as cheaply as possible. However this makes no guarantee about any one country’s ability, at the end of the day, to stand alone without dependencies on others for vital goods. In fact if anything it works against that.

      I don’t know why Trump talks about globalism as some Democrat thing. It’s his own party that has been driving for free trade since forever.

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        Also because we dont have the construction experience of building FAB's, and we have different building regulation and standards.

        25% tariffs on steel also wont make it any cheaper.

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        Also because Taiwan has basically slave labor like China. Also things cost more here cuz our workers have benefits and things like rights.

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          “Free trade” means letting everyone do what they’re best at and then exchange the goods they produce. This is so that everybody is focused on what works best in their country, everything is done as well and as cheaply as possible. However this makes no guarantee about any one country’s ability, at the end of the day, to stand alone without dependencies on others for vital goods. In fact if anything it works against that.

          I don’t know why Trump talks about globalism as some Democrat thing. It’s his own party that has been driving for free trade since forever.

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          Trump is a former democrat. Many in his administration are former democrats. Trump isn't a liberal. Both Republicans and Democrats are liberal. Trump is a nationalist. Trump is not a liberal Republican.

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            “Free trade” means letting everyone do what they’re best at and then exchange the goods they produce. This is so that everybody is focused on what works best in their country, everything is done as well and as cheaply as possible. However this makes no guarantee about any one country’s ability, at the end of the day, to stand alone without dependencies on others for vital goods. In fact if anything it works against that.

            I don’t know why Trump talks about globalism as some Democrat thing. It’s his own party that has been driving for free trade since forever.

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            Free trade is the best system for 90 % of an economy. I will take a dump on Trump any day, maybe twice , but having a small capacity to build your own silicon chip is mandatory in case of a military conflict. Covid wasn’t a planned military conflict and first world economies couldn’t produce mask, gown… and luckily the virus wasn’t so deadly and only a small % of the population died.

            I am Canadian… by any free trade perspective it looks like we should buy our milk from countries with less harsh winter… but then we would be on our knee if an idiot decide to bully us with a duty tax.

            There should be free trade for 90 % of a country gdp and elected officials can change their list of excluded 10 % every few years.

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              Free trade is the best system for 90 % of an economy. I will take a dump on Trump any day, maybe twice , but having a small capacity to build your own silicon chip is mandatory in case of a military conflict. Covid wasn’t a planned military conflict and first world economies couldn’t produce mask, gown… and luckily the virus wasn’t so deadly and only a small % of the population died.

              I am Canadian… by any free trade perspective it looks like we should buy our milk from countries with less harsh winter… but then we would be on our knee if an idiot decide to bully us with a duty tax.

              There should be free trade for 90 % of a country gdp and elected officials can change their list of excluded 10 % every few years.

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              Are you saying that 10% of an economy is vital goods and the other 90% is not? Not that I have any numbers on this but 10% seems low to me.

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                Are you saying that 10% of an economy is vital goods and the other 90% is not? Not that I have any numbers on this but 10% seems low to me.

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                10 % isn’t based on anything but let’s imagine: 2-4 % military 1 % communication infrastructure, media and unbiased information 2-4 % healthcare 2-4 % food. You quickly get to 10%. Too big and you loose the benefit of free trade.

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                  Also because Taiwan has basically slave labor like China. Also things cost more here cuz our workers have benefits and things like rights.

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                  What benefits and rights are that supposed to be?

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                    10 % isn’t based on anything but let’s imagine: 2-4 % military 1 % communication infrastructure, media and unbiased information 2-4 % healthcare 2-4 % food. You quickly get to 10%. Too big and you loose the benefit of free trade.

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                    Could you try doing the same with the 90%? if life’s essentials are so easily paid for I am wondering what you think the rest is going to?

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                      Free trade is the best system for 90 % of an economy. I will take a dump on Trump any day, maybe twice , but having a small capacity to build your own silicon chip is mandatory in case of a military conflict. Covid wasn’t a planned military conflict and first world economies couldn’t produce mask, gown… and luckily the virus wasn’t so deadly and only a small % of the population died.

                      I am Canadian… by any free trade perspective it looks like we should buy our milk from countries with less harsh winter… but then we would be on our knee if an idiot decide to bully us with a duty tax.

                      There should be free trade for 90 % of a country gdp and elected officials can change their list of excluded 10 % every few years.

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                      I don't know about the numbers you present, but absolutely agree that some industries are just worth supporting, from a government perspective. Cannot be reliant on a geopolitical enemy for goods that allow your country to continue to function.

                      I think Trump losing us allies is a travesty, but there's no guarantee during a global conflict you can get items from said allies.

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                        Also because Taiwan has basically slave labor like China. Also things cost more here cuz our workers have benefits and things like rights.

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                        1950 wants its tired anti china tropes back

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                          Also because Taiwan has basically slave labor like China. Also things cost more here cuz our workers have benefits and things like rights.

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                          cuz our workers have benefits and things like rights.

                          Who is gonna tell this stable genius how US construction actually work?

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                            For now.

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                              cuz our workers have benefits and things like rights.

                              Who is gonna tell this stable genius how US construction actually work?

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                              You saying things like OSHA and fall arrest harnesses and PPE don't affect construction speed in the US at all?

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                                Also because Taiwan has basically slave labor like China. Also things cost more here cuz our workers have benefits and things like rights.

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                                What rights are these of which you speak?

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                                  You saying things like OSHA and fall arrest harnesses and PPE don't affect construction speed in the US at all?

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                                  Fun fact: Taiwan doesnt want its workers dying or disabled either

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                                    Global foundries has a fab nearby, and all they produce are those chips for the old obsolete cars put out by Ford

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                                      What rights are these of which you speak?

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                                      Those with which you don't have record suicide rates at workplace, probably, with workers jumping out of windows, the solution to which was to put grids like in prison. Talking of Foxconn.

                                      I get it, people have it hard everywhere, but some have it harder, and between American and Chinese workers the relation is clear.

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                                        Also because Taiwan has basically slave labor like China. Also things cost more here cuz our workers have benefits and things like rights.

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                                        You are correct, but people always want to believe their enemy's enemy is their friend, and if their enemy is ideological, then that enemy's enemy must be their ideological friend, and same with morality. That's never so.

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                                          Those with which you don't have record suicide rates at workplace, probably, with workers jumping out of windows, the solution to which was to put grids like in prison. Talking of Foxconn.

                                          I get it, people have it hard everywhere, but some have it harder, and between American and Chinese workers the relation is clear.

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                                          The difference is that Americans want rights destroyed.

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