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  • N [email protected]

    I am with you on this one. I do think it would be appropriate to have a disclaimer in the beginning, saying that these words used to have a different meaning, and that in the context of the time they were written they meant different things than today.
    There is a German book where this is done that uses the N word for people of color.
    This is the more appropriate way of handling this, because i am totally with you: we shouldn't change what was written in books. If we start doing that, we destroy what authors have done, and in a sense we also edit history, because in this case we try to erase that these words were used in another context back in the days.

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    #83

    Indeed

    And that also bothers me about threads like this... both sides in the USA seem to be guilty of this, so to now call it propaganda & nazism when the right is doing it... It's of course true, but the left wing is doing the exact same, so you can't really be that outraged.... You're both doing the same thing :s

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    • finishingdutch@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

      Piracy was, is and remains a service problem, as Gabe Newell of Valve (Steam) once stated. Most people are perfectly content to pay a reasonable price to get access to the things they want. But if you make that impossible, they’ll find other options.

      Take anime for example: even if you subscribed to every streaming service out there, you still wouldn’t be able to see everything you wanted. Some things aren’t streamable or sold ANYWHERE, or only on a service that’s actively blocked in your region. Which means there is simply no legal way for you at all to get that content.

      Music on the other hand solved that dilemma. You can use Spotify, YT Music, Apple Music or a host of other options. You pay a flat fee and you can listen to pretty much every song you want, as often as you want. Nobody’s pirating MP3’s these days, because nobody needs to. It’s now more convenient to just stream it.

      I’d really like to see someone do the same for books. An unlimited digital library that lets you download anything you want for a flat subscription fee. I’d pay 10 bucks a month for that for sure. Because that would make it more convenient than pirating is right now, with a more consistent experience.

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      Yes, about service problems and Steam - I understand why it happened, but sanctions on Russia causing my inability to not buy, but even find in store some games kinda affect it. One small nuance is that family members of those, well, making decisions in Russia are often in the western countries feeling themselves very well (including Steam games), and those who are not do not, I think, have problems dealing with this. And, btw, topping up your Steam wallet is possible, just via intermediaries with some additional expense.

      OK, this is not about Steam, this is about sanctions efficiency.

      EDIT: On the subject - I pirate MP3's. I like having my music stored locally and not dependent on various services. I may start some day using some of those services, probably.

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      • R [email protected]

        Honest question, how is this different from the left doing the same? Take this for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roald_Dahl_revision_controversy

        As an outsider, it seems the USA is currently in a culture war, and neither side minds burning & changing the books they deem offensive?

        I'm all for the Trump hate, what's happening there is insane, but the American left wing being bothered by books being changed seems pretty hypocritical seeing recent events....

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        #85

        A punchier example would be And Then There Were None by Agatha Christie - the best selling murder mystery of all time - which was first published as Ten Little Niggers

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        • penquin@lemm.eeP [email protected]

          Lol. This is the exact same on...checks notes... every single other platform I know of. I have a kobo sage and it's the same, except that kobo runs on Linux and they don't lock their system. You can literally "jailbreak" it and still get updates from them. They also don't lock their books with encryption like on kindle so they lock you in. IMHO, there is 0 reasons to buy a kindle now, period.

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          #86

          I have a kobo sage and it's the same, except that kobo runs on Linux and they don't lock their system.

          It runs on Android which runs on a Linux kernel. And Android is a tad bit too heavy for the kind of hardware the vendors tend to give e-readers, if you do anything outside the book-management-and-reader app. It's more open than Kindle, sure (i could even flash Lineagos on my Leaf, since the stock ROM had weird translation and apps), but if you just want an e-reader and maybe Nextcloud sync, i'd recommend PocketBook over everything else.

          Edit: well, AOSP based custom ROM, not Android.

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          • L [email protected]

            But lets see the Positive side: Now the Nazis wont have to burn thousands of books, saving tons of co2 in their Plan to take over the world with propaganda. So, yay for the envoirment I guess

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            "How about instead of words, we fill books with numbers?"

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            • R [email protected]

              13+ years ago when I'd say why I hate social media, cloud services, all this convenient dependence, everybody would act as if this was stupid.

              My logic was that if there's a mechanism allowing such influence, no matter how small, its power will grow almost until the death of such an ecosystem. Because the returns of abusing it will always be more than the expenses.

              I don't like this Cassandra feeling really.

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              Most people have an astounding lack of imagination. Its like they thing that things can't get much worse because that would be too different to now....

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                But lets see the Positive side: Now the Nazis wont have to burn thousands of books, saving tons of co2 in their Plan to take over the world with propaganda. So, yay for the envoirment I guess

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                It’s time to de-Google, de-amazon, de-Microsoft, de-apple, etc.

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                  It’s time to de-Google, de-amazon, de-Microsoft, de-apple, etc.

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                  It has been time for that, long ago. Why did you have to wait for everything to go south?

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                  • M [email protected]

                    I have a kobo sage and it's the same, except that kobo runs on Linux and they don't lock their system.

                    It runs on Android which runs on a Linux kernel. And Android is a tad bit too heavy for the kind of hardware the vendors tend to give e-readers, if you do anything outside the book-management-and-reader app. It's more open than Kindle, sure (i could even flash Lineagos on my Leaf, since the stock ROM had weird translation and apps), but if you just want an e-reader and maybe Nextcloud sync, i'd recommend PocketBook over everything else.

                    Edit: well, AOSP based custom ROM, not Android.

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                    I've searched everywhere and nowhere does anyone mention that kobo runs android. It runs an actual Linux based OS, not android. I know android uses the Linux kernel but that is not the same as an actual Linux OS. It doesn't matter anyway, their shit is wide open and you can do whatever the hell you want to you kobo

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                    • penquin@lemm.eeP [email protected]

                      Lol. This is the exact same on...checks notes... every single other platform I know of. I have a kobo sage and it's the same, except that kobo runs on Linux and they don't lock their system. You can literally "jailbreak" it and still get updates from them. They also don't lock their books with encryption like on kindle so they lock you in. IMHO, there is 0 reasons to buy a kindle now, period.

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                      #92

                      I’ve tried the Kobo store (sold my Kindle and got a Libra 2 Color), but the selection is a bit lacking.

                      Some books just don’t exist there, which means I can’t just click and buy the next one from the Kobo UI.

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                        I've searched everywhere and nowhere does anyone mention that kobo runs android. It runs an actual Linux based OS, not android. I know android uses the Linux kernel but that is not the same as an actual Linux OS. It doesn't matter anyway, their shit is wide open and you can do whatever the hell you want to you kobo

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                        Ok, "Android" is a certificate and requires, among others, Google Play Services and Store. Kobo doesn't have that, so my that's the issue. But it's a AOSP-based vendor ROM, same as Kindle's, so my point with performance still stands and battery is bad too. At least compared to PocketBook's, which run plain Linux and last a month.

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                          It’s time to de-Google, de-amazon, de-Microsoft, de-apple, etc.

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                          Now? As if they were so ethical all those decades before.

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                          • hossenfeffer@feddit.ukH [email protected]

                            A punchier example would be And Then There Were None by Agatha Christie - the best selling murder mystery of all time - which was first published as Ten Little Niggers

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                            Is indeed a fine example. Keeps raising the same questions: is it ok to rewrite books? We're supposed to be outraged when maga does it, but it's ok if we do it?

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                            • finishingdutch@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                              Piracy was, is and remains a service problem, as Gabe Newell of Valve (Steam) once stated. Most people are perfectly content to pay a reasonable price to get access to the things they want. But if you make that impossible, they’ll find other options.

                              Take anime for example: even if you subscribed to every streaming service out there, you still wouldn’t be able to see everything you wanted. Some things aren’t streamable or sold ANYWHERE, or only on a service that’s actively blocked in your region. Which means there is simply no legal way for you at all to get that content.

                              Music on the other hand solved that dilemma. You can use Spotify, YT Music, Apple Music or a host of other options. You pay a flat fee and you can listen to pretty much every song you want, as often as you want. Nobody’s pirating MP3’s these days, because nobody needs to. It’s now more convenient to just stream it.

                              I’d really like to see someone do the same for books. An unlimited digital library that lets you download anything you want for a flat subscription fee. I’d pay 10 bucks a month for that for sure. Because that would make it more convenient than pirating is right now, with a more consistent experience.

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                              An unlimited digital library that lets you download anything you want for a flat subscription fee.

                              A library? We solved that centuries ago.

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                                Now? As if they were so ethical all those decades before.

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                                You know what they say about the best time to plant trees. It applies to many things.

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                                • L [email protected]

                                  But lets see the Positive side: Now the Nazis wont have to burn thousands of books, saving tons of co2 in their Plan to take over the world with propaganda. So, yay for the envoirment I guess

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                                  That's why I only read manuscripts. Don't trust machines. F*cuk Gutenberg

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                                  • S [email protected]

                                    Yes, I prefer to read over watching a video and being forced to go at someone else's pace.

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                                    I truly hate this age of video where everything is either in incredibly long form with unnecessary cruft that can be pared down to a page or so of real information, or the video is so pointlessly short it's devoid of real value and context. Sadly people just don't want to read anymore

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                                    • N [email protected]

                                      Most people have an astounding lack of imagination. Its like they thing that things can't get much worse because that would be too different to now....

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                                      Yeah, see, I even have a mental condition which should supposedly make that my problem more than that of most people.

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                                      • V [email protected]

                                        That's why I only read manuscripts. Don't trust machines. F*cuk Gutenberg

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                                        This reminds me of a joke....

                                        A new monk arrives at the monastery and is assiged to help the other monks in copying the old texts by hand. When he looks closer, however, he notices that they are copying copies, not the original books.
                                        The new monk goes to the head monk to ask him about this. He points out to the head monk that should there be an error in the first copy, that error would be continued in all of the other copies.
                                        "We have been copying from the copies for centuries," says the head monk, "however, I must admit you make a very good point, my son."
                                        The head monk then goes down to the cellar with one of the copies to check it against the original. Hours pass and no one sees him, so one of the monks decides to go downstairs to look for him. When he arrives he hears loud sobbing coming from the back of the cellar and finds the old head monk leaning over one of the original books crying.
                                        "What's wrong," he asks the old monk.
                                        "The word is CELEBRATE!" sobs the old monk.

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                                        • J [email protected]

                                          I've got an old Kindle, but not too old, which I jailbroke just yesterday with Winter break. I recommend that method for those considering getting drm free usage out of their device (instead of it contributing to ewaste).

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                                          Why not too old? I bought 4 gen 4 & 5 kindles off ebay for like $20 on purpose. I hate backlights and they still work great.

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