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UK citizens say it is more important to support Ukraine than to maintain good relations with US, survey shows

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    American checking in. They are correct.

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      The Americans were always a bunch of evil, self-interested bastards — all that’s changed is they’ve stopped pretending otherwise.

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      We must not pigeonhole people, not in the US nor anywhere else. As I write this comment there are apparently two US citizens in this thread who definitely don't appear to fit into your description. [Edit typo.]

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        Honestly, I don't think maintaining good relations with the US is something we should be doing at all.

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        • garretble@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

          The United States sucks ass right now. Please, by all means, take change without us.

          Signed,
          A resident of the United States

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          We would prefer it if you had or back. So please do sth to fix it

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          • povoq@slrpnk.netP [email protected]

            Fine, but such a result isn't exactly surprising with a leading question like that 🙄

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            How would you phrase it?

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            • garretble@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

              The United States sucks ass right now. Please, by all means, take change without us.

              Signed,
              A resident of the United States

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              We hope your country stops being so batshit crazy soon.

              Sincerely,
              Most of the rest of the world

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                We must not pigeonhole people, not in the US nor anywhere else. As I write this comment there are apparently two US citizens in this thread who definitely don't appear to fit into your description. [Edit typo.]

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                That's got the same energy as a cop showing up to protest the term "ACAB".

                Don't like hearing it? Fix it. And that doesn't mean reposting shit to your echo chamber of choice. That doesn't mean standing with a sign. If you haven't lit something on fire you're part of the problem just like all the "good cops".

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                • tja@sh.itjust.worksT [email protected]

                  How would you phrase it?

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                  Its not really an either or question, and if you explicitly want to ask that you should do so by asking something like "Should the UK support Ukraine against the objections of the US?" Or something concrete like that.

                  The way the current question is asked leads to the answer as expected as "support" is positively connotated and "maintain good relations" is ambigous and doesn't make the contradiction clear, hence people opting for the feel good answer of supporting Ukraine.

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                  • tja@sh.itjust.worksT [email protected]

                    We would prefer it if you had or back. So please do sth to fix it

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                    It's stuck!

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                      That's got the same energy as a cop showing up to protest the term "ACAB".

                      Don't like hearing it? Fix it. And that doesn't mean reposting shit to your echo chamber of choice. That doesn't mean standing with a sign. If you haven't lit something on fire you're part of the problem just like all the "good cops".

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                      Okay, thanks!

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                        Honestly, I don't think maintaining good relations with the US is something we should be doing at all.

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                        Is it even possible?

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                        • indibrony@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

                          We hope your country stops being so batshit crazy soon.

                          Sincerely,
                          Most of the rest of the world

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                          I think it's gonna have to collapse before that will happen. Please help hasten it by imposing sanctions on anything and everything that has to do with us.

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                            No working with Nazis.

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                              Is it even possible?

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                              Yes, by bowing and scraping to Dear Leader. But you wouldn't get anything out of it, so I can't fathom why anyone would want to.

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                              • povoq@slrpnk.netP [email protected]

                                Its not really an either or question, and if you explicitly want to ask that you should do so by asking something like "Should the UK support Ukraine against the objections of the US?" Or something concrete like that.

                                The way the current question is asked leads to the answer as expected as "support" is positively connotated and "maintain good relations" is ambigous and doesn't make the contradiction clear, hence people opting for the feel good answer of supporting Ukraine.

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                                It is an either/or question, because the US government does not support Ukraine any more and will condemn any country that does.

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                                  It is an either/or question, because the US government does not support Ukraine any more and will condemn any country that does.

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                                  That's my point. The original question is not a real either/or question. It's a leading question that pretends to be either/or.

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                                    We must not pigeonhole people, not in the US nor anywhere else. As I write this comment there are apparently two US citizens in this thread who definitely don't appear to fit into your description. [Edit typo.]

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                                    Are not aware how metonymy works? Of course there are nice Americans. There are nice people everywhere. “The Americans” here is being used as a stand in for the actions of their government for at least the last sixty years. Longer, if you include the centuries of land theft, genocide, slaving, pillage, and terror. All of these acts were sanctioned by a government that was elected, supported, and funded by American citizens. This is who they are. The presence of a few friendly faces in a sea of greedy, rapacious cunts doesn’t change much.

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                                      Never let the bully win

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                                        Never let the bully win

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                                        The bully has continuously won the last 500 years or so and it was us. But we have some redemption to do and should try to be on the good side of history for once.

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                                          Hey, Germany... Y'all want to keep the old "East Germany"?

                                          You better fucking tell every EU country to defend Ukraine!

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