Obsidian is now free for work - Obsidian
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There in fact are FOSS alternatives like Joplin. Personally, I actually switched from Joplin to Obsidian due to a larger community (and therefore community-driven plugins) and overall a more polished UX. That being said, I have the security of switching back if Obsidian ever becomes evil or unusable.
Another aspect is that the entire source code is technically viewable (partially obfuscated) since it's a web app. Having written plugins for Obsidian, you're very much interacting with the source code itself. Feels like open source with extra steps and I wish one day they will finally make the switch to true FOSS.
That's not so true of the Android app. I do have access to bytecode but changing bytecode to bring feature enhancements is not for the faint of heart.
And storage in their current android app is a major privacy breach.
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Yeah, works nice as long as you have a server to host it on.
The only annoyance is that it's not very space efficient and you have to rebuild your database like twice a year to bring the size back down. It might be not that bad depending on what you do. I create above thousand new lines of notes with a lot of pictures every day and I'm at around 2GB after rebuilding the database. I expect it to go up to like 6GB biyearly, but, again, clicking on the rebuild button deals with that.
You don't need a server, I use drop box. You can also do Amazon S3 which is more involved but not as hard as a server. And 5 more options.
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I guess we just have to agree to disagree then. Which is fine.
Your points are valid and thank you for detailing them for me. If I was in their shoes making others able to steal my IP, even if they're not allowed due to licensing and having to deal with constant scrutiny of the source code are k.o.-criteria, which hinder the project and lead to potential revenue loss.
And it's totally fair to run your project however you choose. My point is just that FOSS doesn't automatically mean you can't make money, tons of businesses are built on a FOSS-first basis. Pick the model that works for your business, and I sincerely hope you find a way to make FOSS part of it.
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This post was how I learned about Obsidian.
For those of you that love it, how do you use it daily?
I fucking LOVE obsidian, one of my most used pieces of software.
I have two note vaults.
One is my personal "everything" not vault, Anything I might need to write down goes there. No random sticky notes, or half used notebooks for me. Game notes, such as what equipment I'm looking for, or solutions to puzzles I'll forget before I can use the information. More practically useful notes like conversion charts to use imperial measurements in blender and godot. Names of people I need to remember and what their handles are on social media, because most platforms don't help you with that. Everything can be interconnected, so some notes are just indexes of other notes.
More impressive is my lore wiki. There is a book series that I will never write, and these notes document the setting. Characters, events, locations, other authors who have helped over the years. Anything that is a proper noun or is otherwise special to the setting is a link to a note of that name.
Obsidian also has "graph view" which visually organizes notes so that things that are connected are physically closer together. I just wish I could give these notes icons on the graph view so that they'd be more visually distinct.
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And it's totally fair to run your project however you choose. My point is just that FOSS doesn't automatically mean you can't make money, tons of businesses are built on a FOSS-first basis. Pick the model that works for your business, and I sincerely hope you find a way to make FOSS part of it.
As I've said. Nextcloud is a great example of FOSS working out for a business, haha.
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You don't need a server, I use drop box. You can also do Amazon S3 which is more involved but not as hard as a server. And 5 more options.
Ale we talking about the same thing?
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That's not so true of the Android app. I do have access to bytecode but changing bytecode to bring feature enhancements is not for the faint of heart.
And storage in their current android app is a major privacy breach.
You're right, I wasn't thinking about the android app when writing this.
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It doesn't matter if it's a "far more organised approach", logseq simply doesn't fit many types of workflows for note taking.
logseq is a zettelkasten program; Obsidian is a text editor
Embrace zettelkasten as your note taking workflow. It’s more organized
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It's like trillium, but not open source
Here is an enthusiastic person talking about the state of the art of one year ago for 20 minute.
https://youtu.be/XRpHIa-2XCEWhat is a Trillium?
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Ale we talking about the same thing?
Probably not, I'm talking about the plugin I use. Remotely save, I think it's called.
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This post was how I learned about Obsidian.
For those of you that love it, how do you use it daily?
Daily journal
Task list / project management
Note taking
Mind mapping
Resource archiveI've got my vault automated pretty well at this point. I honestly don't know what I would do without it.
For those of you that are wondering, everything is markdown independent, all of my plugins address UI or vault automation processes that leave all of my information entirely portable.
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Use obsidian enough and your brain also just starts to interpret raw markdown lmfao.
I've definitely caught myself using md to format pen and paper notes before.
That's the whole point of markdown lmfao.
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It stores your data in plaintext, and simply uses the program to parse special formatting characters. There are no attempts at obfuscation or encryption, and it doesn’t lock you into a walled garden that refuses to play nice with other programs. The program itself is closed-source, but anyone could write an open source version to parse the same info… There just hasn’t been a good reason to do so. Even if Obsidian as a company and program ceases to exist overnight, your data is still safe on your machine and can be read by anyone who cares enough to dig into the file. Hell, you can even open it as the plaintext file and dig through it manually.
Hol up. Are notes stored in files in a directory structure or a single file? Just that you said "the file" so I'm wondering.
If so, that's lock in.
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I just don't see the point of obsidian et al.
Just use a directory structure and save markdown files in it.
There are many apps that are great editors for this structure on every platform. IDK exactly what obsidian does but many editors have zettelkasten (fancy cross links) functionality, just no fancy graph.
Ghostty + helix is the sexxy RN.
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What is a Trillium?
It’s like Obsidian but open source. A free note taking app with power features
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Obsidian is a note taking app. Todoist specializes in creating tasks and scheduling them. They are different tools for different jobs.
Obsidian is very capable of handling tasks and scheduling them. That's a solid portion of what I use it for, while also conveniently having my notes directly linked to from these tasks.
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Hol up. Are notes stored in files in a directory structure or a single file? Just that you said "the file" so I'm wondering.
If so, that's lock in.
Its a directory, they were just referring to individual files.
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They do, because they don’t offer others easy sync options in the iOS app (only iCloud or Sync, no webDAV, no onedrive, no googledrive, etc. )
Why would they offer another sync option when the Sync subscription is the one thing you make money on? You could easily just put the notes in your iCloud or any other cloud service.
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"...until we have a large enough userbase to start monetizing and enshittifying..."
They have a plenty large enough user base and have not done so. You're literally commenting this on a post of them doing the exact opposite. The fear mongering is insane.
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Embrace zettelkasten as your note taking workflow. It’s more organized
I prefer PARA, which I implement some ideas of Zettelkasten into. Logseq sadly couldn't do this well. It also just sadly lacks a lot of plugins and features I need/really want. Logseq is great, but so is Obsidian.
