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‘The tyranny of apps’: those without smartphones are unfairly penalised, say campaigners

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  • S [email protected]

    have you tried stop being poor?!

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    Maybe I could try buying and scalping an iPhone on eBay

    :thinky face:

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      Begin by just getting a house already.

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      • ptz@dubvee.orgP [email protected]

        I flat-out refuse to do business with any that requires I use an app. I won't even scan a QR code for a restaurant menu; that's my cue to go eat elsewhere.

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        Like when ordering bubble tea

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          Get out of the stone age.

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          • ladfrombrad@lemdro.idL [email protected]

            Maybe I could try buying and scalping an iPhone on eBay

            :thinky face:

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            Kids these days just don't want to work

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              Kids these days just don't want to work

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              See that's the thing, I work far too hard and after a night shift and then getting onto a "customer support" agent reveals the cracks in our society.

              Maybe you could work harder too!

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                Like when ordering bubble tea

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                Dennis Takes a Mental Health Day is probably the most accurate portrayal of me ever written.

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                  A mobile app requirement is an easy excuse for me to nope the fuck out.

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                    Considering your average printer is a piece of shit that needs to be replaced quite often, yes, using a website is probably more energy efficient.

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                    This person has never seen the power bill for running a high-availability server with several failovers once in their lives.

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                      It’s also a gigantic information harvesting ploy.

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                        The whole using your phone for everything from grocery shopping to just doing whatever Like getting deals or whatever?, Can it please go away?

                        They're collecting our data anyways.

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                          You don't need an app to use a loyalty card...

                          But yes I am against supermarkets that only provide discounts if you use their loyalty program, which in turn allows them to track your purchases. Especially since many items are priced with the discount as the "fair" price and the full price is really just a money grab.

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                          Man, I’m torn on this one.

                          We have two grocery stores in our exurban area.

                          Kroger, as a corporation, contributes to politicians of both US parties in roughly equal measure. Less than ideal (zero contributions), but not too bad I guess. But, they do have an obnoxious customer loyalty card program. Boo!

                          Publix, on the other hand, doesn’t have a customer loyalty card program at all. Yay! But, the corporation and their leadership contribute HEAVILY to the new Trumpy GOP, Matt Gaetz in particular. So, fuck them.

                          I’m boycotting Publix. Lesser of two evils I guess.

                          I really wish we had a locally-owned mom ’n pop grocery. I’d pay a premium for that.

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                            If you don't have a smart phone in the US, even temporally, your almost a second class citizen.

                            Then if you don't install corporate apps on your phone, there are even more problems for you.

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                            Social Friendly Browser can usualky get around this

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                            • ladfrombrad@lemdro.idL [email protected]

                              See that's the thing, I work far too hard and after a night shift and then getting onto a "customer support" agent reveals the cracks in our society.

                              Maybe you could work harder too!

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                              Everyone I know works pretty hard and is underpaid but the revenue keeps saying nobody wants to work.

                              Deep inside I know the teevee never lies 🤡

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                                Everyone I know works pretty hard and is underpaid but the revenue keeps saying nobody wants to work.

                                Deep inside I know the teevee never lies 🤡

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                                It was the sheer arrogance of that "supervisor" I escalated it to and I hate to think how someone like a pensioner would've dealt with them that day wanting to access their bank account, especially since all the local branches have been closed 👺

                                RIP Yorkshire Bank

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                                  This affects me a lot day to day. I have a phone, but it runs postmarketOS, not iOS or Android. It really shows me the importance of open standards. I feel that every business should be required to support open standards for each of the services they offer.

                                  For me, buying train tickets used to be ok, but is getting harder now. Some train operators are really pushing you to use their app now, and getting rid of the option to download a PDF. It really frustrates me: it's not like it costs them more to offer PDF download - if anything, it's much cheaper to offer that functionality than to build and maintain an app for iOS and Android.

                                  Back when I had an Android phone, I used Monzo, and it was so easy to send money to friends, set up standing orders etc. I wish they offered a proper web interface. Now, I use Natwest's online banking, and it's a real pain - I use the card reader to authenticate, then the website logs me out seemingly every 2 mins of inactivity. Some features, like pre-notifying that you'll be travelling abroad, are only available on the app. I only see this trend continuing.

                                  The concert tickets example in the article is insane to me. I can't think of a use case that is better suited for PDFs, and that's what we've been doing for the last 10+ years without any issues. It really is user hostile and excludes people on the edges of society who don't fit, for whatever reason, with what the 80-90% do.

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                                    Get out of the stone age.

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                                    I'm probably gonna get clowned for feeding the troll, but - this comment comes off a lot more harsh if you've ever experienced not having access to the Internet and a smartphone or computer.

                                    I spent the better part of 16 years of my life with no TV, MP3 player, phone, Internet, or computer - and it has negatively impacted me in immeasurable ways.
                                    I couldn't find work, because I couldn't apply for jobs but also I didn't know you could do that on the Internet - I also didn't know YouTube existed, so I missed out on learning the things I liked, and I didn't know I was being abused because I had no way of knowing that it wasn't normal until I got access to help, via the Internet.

                                    I wasn't in the stone age - if I'd had options to do any of the above without a phone or the Internet, I'd be a different person today. Shut up, mate - not everyone can afford or has the opportunity to own a smartphone and data plan (which are rare and expensive in abusive situations like my past). Making services available in places like libraries and community centers without requiring smartphones and Internet would help so many people who have no ability to use them - those people are humans too.

                                    and by the way while we're at it: if we're effectively paywalling access to basic human rights behind an IP address and cellular radio, those should be enshrined as human rights too.

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                                      This affects me a lot day to day. I have a phone, but it runs postmarketOS, not iOS or Android. It really shows me the importance of open standards. I feel that every business should be required to support open standards for each of the services they offer.

                                      For me, buying train tickets used to be ok, but is getting harder now. Some train operators are really pushing you to use their app now, and getting rid of the option to download a PDF. It really frustrates me: it's not like it costs them more to offer PDF download - if anything, it's much cheaper to offer that functionality than to build and maintain an app for iOS and Android.

                                      Back when I had an Android phone, I used Monzo, and it was so easy to send money to friends, set up standing orders etc. I wish they offered a proper web interface. Now, I use Natwest's online banking, and it's a real pain - I use the card reader to authenticate, then the website logs me out seemingly every 2 mins of inactivity. Some features, like pre-notifying that you'll be travelling abroad, are only available on the app. I only see this trend continuing.

                                      The concert tickets example in the article is insane to me. I can't think of a use case that is better suited for PDFs, and that's what we've been doing for the last 10+ years without any issues. It really is user hostile and excludes people on the edges of society who don't fit, for whatever reason, with what the 80-90% do.

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                                      apps allow user tracking and advertising though. Much more valuable to the corpos than a few lost customers.

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                                        A mobile app requirement is an easy excuse for me to nope the fuck out.

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                                        My old apartment had gates that could only be opened with an app. They took out the card reader and made it app only. Should have gotten out of there much earlier than I did.

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                                          Considering your average printer is a piece of shit that needs to be replaced quite often, yes, using a website is probably more energy efficient.

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                                          That and those servers are going to be running anyway. Powering a simple restaurant website is a grain of sand on the beach of internet usage.

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