PS5 Pro sales ‘have fallen behind PS4 Pro in the US
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Normally, id agree. But with pc parts prices being what they are... Its still a "bargin". I hate to use the word bargin here, because the pricing of both pc and consoles is insane
I understand that not everyone has the expertise, but for 800$ you can put together a very capable system that will beat the PS5 easily. It will probably include some used parts. You don't need a 4070 in there, not even remotely close.
But yes, obviously the prices have gone up quite a bit over the last years.
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I understand that not everyone has the expertise, but for 800$ you can put together a very capable system that will beat the PS5 easily. It will probably include some used parts. You don't need a 4070 in there, not even remotely close.
But yes, obviously the prices have gone up quite a bit over the last years.
Not really. To have games in 4k and 30fps you need a gpu that is more than half the budget. And you dont even have a cpu, ram, mobo or even case.
Dont get me wrong btw, i will always pick pc because i do way way more than just gaming, but recommending pc for gaming is becoming really hard -
Not really. To have games in 4k and 30fps you need a gpu that is more than half the budget. And you dont even have a cpu, ram, mobo or even case.
Dont get me wrong btw, i will always pick pc because i do way way more than just gaming, but recommending pc for gaming is becoming really hardUnless I misunderstood something, the PS5 isn't "true 4k", but uses upscaling just like any semi-modern GPU can do as well (DLSS and FSR I think is the AMD version). That changes that equation quite a bit.
I would argue that reocmmending a PC over a (new) console has gotten easier, especially for someone on a budget. Because you can actually get an incredibly competent machine these days (used of course). Even if you decide to pay more to get a better PC, you then have access to the vast PC library with all the bundles, frequent and often deep sales, giveaways, ... The cost of the console isn't just the console, but also what you can play on it and what it costs, and this aspect has improved massively on PC in recent years (and was already pretty good before then).
Of course, if you're interested in exlusives or first-party titles (like nintendo), or you generally play mostly AAA games, the console might just be the better or only option, but you better bring the wallet for the whole journey.
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What would I even play on it?
Used PS3 games!
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I wouldn't know..I stopped falling for the console trap after PS3. Only thing since was a PS4 controller, for my PC
I wouldn't really call it a "trap". If you're buying a console when it's new at full price, sure, you're being taken for a ride, but give it a couple of years for stuff to be cheaper and it can work out reasonably well.
I used to be a major PC gamer but eventually the cost/benefit calculation went completely off the rails.
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The praise came from the people who have jobs being pixel peepers, not people who actually enjoy playing games.
From a perspective of it looking slightly better when you pause a game, take a screenshot, and enlarge it so you can then discuss about the fruity bokeh or whatever the shit, the PS5 Pro is much improved.
For everyone who just plays games on it, it's essentially unnoticeable.
(This applies a lot to PC gaming stuff as well, but it looks like nVidia stepped on their uh, leather coat, so hard with the 5000 series that not even the pixeleyist peepers had much positive to say.)
There was one publication that I was subscribed to, which I cannot recall the name of now, that just heaped article after article about how great the PS5 Pro was, and how it was revolutionizing gaming, how much better it was than the PS5, and how it's sold out everywhere and the best console ever created. Every single game that had a single digit framerate improvement was a full article about how awesome the Pro was.
Some hyperbole on my part, of course, but I did get sick of them praising the PS5 Pro, and the comments section following lock-step, so I ditched it. I just couldn't understand the dissonance in the communities, especially since neither produced numbers to back up claims.
I bet if I dug around my archived bookmark backups I could find it, and I bet they are still singing praises about the thing.
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Used PS3 games!
Don't forget emulated PS1 and PS2 games!
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I wouldn't know..I stopped falling for the console trap after PS3. Only thing since was a PS4 controller, for my PC
This reminds me of the Q&A section on Amazon product pages where someone will answer a question stating that they don't know because they didn't buy the item.
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I wouldn't know..I stopped falling for the console trap after PS3. Only thing since was a PS4 controller, for my PC
After my PS3 got the YLOD, I considered about purchasing a PS4, and then I thought: I would have to start from zero since it doesn't have backwards compatibility. So, I went back to PC and my whole catalogue was there waiting for me. They are indeed a trap.
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Unless I misunderstood something, the PS5 isn't "true 4k", but uses upscaling just like any semi-modern GPU can do as well (DLSS and FSR I think is the AMD version). That changes that equation quite a bit.
I would argue that reocmmending a PC over a (new) console has gotten easier, especially for someone on a budget. Because you can actually get an incredibly competent machine these days (used of course). Even if you decide to pay more to get a better PC, you then have access to the vast PC library with all the bundles, frequent and often deep sales, giveaways, ... The cost of the console isn't just the console, but also what you can play on it and what it costs, and this aspect has improved massively on PC in recent years (and was already pretty good before then).
Of course, if you're interested in exlusives or first-party titles (like nintendo), or you generally play mostly AAA games, the console might just be the better or only option, but you better bring the wallet for the whole journey.
Huh, i thought ps5 (pro) was 4k native, but looks like its via some hardware upscaler. Good to know hehe. That changes some things, but lets see. The ps5 pro gpu is equivalent to a rx 7700 xt, which is a 400 msrp card. In reality its way more, but lets work with msrp prices to give this the best chance of success.
Ps5 pro is 700$ msrp, so thats 300$ you have left for cpu, ram, ssd, case, and psu. I dont think you can do that, but lets look at the next part: cpu
Cpu is equivalent to a ryzen 7 3700x, which is an old cpu so is cheap atm, 120$.
Ok, 180$ left in the budget, next: motherboard.
I found a board on amazon for 65$, which was the ASRock A520M-HDV. 120$ left.
Ok so, ssd. Ps5 pro comes with a 2TB ssd. I found some sketchy, offbrand, m.2 ssd's from brands i never even heard off for 94$. There is probably cheaper, but amazon's website was being an arse and lets face it, how trustworthy or slow are those. 36$ left in budget.Thats 36 for ram, case and psu...
As much as i hate to admit it, as a pc person, you cant make a pc with equal strength as ps5 pro and it sucks arse -
I wouldn't really call it a "trap". If you're buying a console when it's new at full price, sure, you're being taken for a ride, but give it a couple of years for stuff to be cheaper and it can work out reasonably well.
I used to be a major PC gamer but eventually the cost/benefit calculation went completely off the rails.
It's surprising how well the Steam Deck plays new games and how much support has been added to older games for something with a form factor similar to the Switch and a price point that is lower than most computers or consoles with similar capabilities. It's a big change to the cost/benefit calculation.
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Just buy a PC, no reason for a playstation at all except to be forced to only play with the playstation people.
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I thought I was losing my mind after seeing all the PS5 Pro praise. Glad to see that the numbers matched what my expectations were.
I do wonder if Sony bought out some influencers or something, because it was oddly counterintuitive amounts of praise.
I assume that the PS5 Pro is great for its target audience: people who care about getting the best possible graphics on a console. They bought it, they tried it, they loved it, and they praised it. The issue with the PS5 Pro is that not everyone fits into that niche. For people who are not playing on giant 4K TVs, what is the benefit? What does it provide that a regular PS5 (or even a PS4) does not? Sony has not provided an answer, from what I have seen.
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There isn't any real incentive to upgrade from a base PS5
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My PS5 will probably be my last non-Nintendo console. I use my Gaming PC for everything, Steam Deck for portable, and Switch for everything Nintendo.
I haven’t turned on my PS5 since Rebirth and my XSX for… Goldeneye? I don’t even remember it was so long ago.
There have been like 3 PS5 exclusive games that I wanted to play and they’ve all come to PC. Just don’t see the point anymore.
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There isn't any real incentive to upgrade from a base PS5
This is the core issue of console gaming tho. You can’t actually upgrade. You just straight up buy a new console. This wasn’t that big of a deal during the PS4 gen because the PS4 pro wasn’t that expensive.
But at the current price points a different strategy is needed.Honestly I think if Sony made a program like “mail us your old PS5 and like $200 to get a PS5 Pro” the console would’ve done better. It wouldn’t address the “why do we need this?” part (especially considering we’re hearing reports of GTA6 running at 30 FPS on the Pro) but it would’ve done some good for customer goodwill.
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My PS5 will probably be my last non-Nintendo console. I use my Gaming PC for everything, Steam Deck for portable, and Switch for everything Nintendo.
I haven’t turned on my PS5 since Rebirth and my XSX for… Goldeneye? I don’t even remember it was so long ago.
There have been like 3 PS5 exclusive games that I wanted to play and they’ve all come to PC. Just don’t see the point anymore.
Can I recommend chiakideck? Playing PS5 games in bed using the steam deck is awesome, if there are any games that you have on console that you don't want to repurchase
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It's surprising how well the Steam Deck plays new games and how much support has been added to older games for something with a form factor similar to the Switch and a price point that is lower than most computers or consoles with similar capabilities. It's a big change to the cost/benefit calculation.
The Steam Deck is a PC. The most console-like PC experience you can get, but still a PC.
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Good. There were like six PS5 only games when they released it so I hope it does terribly - if you've bought one, you're an idiot.
"Let's just bleed em even drier" said Sony, careful not to cut its own lip on its vampire fangs.
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Huh, i thought ps5 (pro) was 4k native, but looks like its via some hardware upscaler. Good to know hehe. That changes some things, but lets see. The ps5 pro gpu is equivalent to a rx 7700 xt, which is a 400 msrp card. In reality its way more, but lets work with msrp prices to give this the best chance of success.
Ps5 pro is 700$ msrp, so thats 300$ you have left for cpu, ram, ssd, case, and psu. I dont think you can do that, but lets look at the next part: cpu
Cpu is equivalent to a ryzen 7 3700x, which is an old cpu so is cheap atm, 120$.
Ok, 180$ left in the budget, next: motherboard.
I found a board on amazon for 65$, which was the ASRock A520M-HDV. 120$ left.
Ok so, ssd. Ps5 pro comes with a 2TB ssd. I found some sketchy, offbrand, m.2 ssd's from brands i never even heard off for 94$. There is probably cheaper, but amazon's website was being an arse and lets face it, how trustworthy or slow are those. 36$ left in budget.Thats 36 for ram, case and psu...
As much as i hate to admit it, as a pc person, you cant make a pc with equal strength as ps5 pro and it sucks arseYou kinda missed most of my points. Because a core advantage of building a PC from individual parts is that you can buy some parts used, or adjust them to what you actually need. You can't buy the PS5 used cause it just came out, but the components are actually relatively old.
A case can be had for cheap (often with fans). Also a used GPU might allow you to get a bit more performance for the same money (or the same perf for less money). Keep in mind that the hardware specs of the PS5 aren't exactly cutting edge top tier performance. You can also find a complete used PC with roughly the right specs, and a quick check showed an eBay listing for case+PSU+mobo+3700x+16gb and 512gb nvme + 2tb HDD for 309€. And that was the first hit, with "buy it now", after 30s on the site.
You can also tailor what exactly you buy to your needs. Maybe 1TB nvme is enough for you, or you can even start out with 500gb. It's a PC, just buy another m.2 when you really need it, takes 5 minutes to install.
But all that is kinda not the point either. Mainly the advantage is that it's a PC. It's not just a gaming thing (though it can be). That is what makes it worth it, also obviously depending on the individual needs. And that's the point. The PC does what you need, and can be made to change to whatever that is.
When you said "from a pure budget standpoint, no PC isn't worth it" you also one again COMPLETELY IGNORE that you need to buy games to play. Those are so much more expensive (and have a much more limited selection) on console. And over the lifetime of the console, game costs will have been much more than the device. That's the point, and why they are relatively affordable, they are subsidized by the manufacturer who makes money on every game bought for it. When a console comes out, they typically loose money on it.
Finally, once a few years have gone by, you can actually upgrade PC parts individually where needed. You don't have to buy the next generation new one, like with consoles. Again, much cheaper. For people who are on tight budget, this is or should be a huge consideration. Once you got a PC, the next upgrade is so much cheaper than a new console, yet it'll be equivalent to that new console.
Consoles are cheaper the day you buy them (and not by a lot). Even just weeks or months later the PC is cheaper. Years later it's cheaper by a lot.
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