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Microsoft Office support in Windows 10 ends in October too - what that really means

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  • sunshine@lemmy.caS [email protected]
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    But all of that is just delaying the inevitable. Sooner or later, you'll have to move to Windows 11 if you want to keep your PC secure and protected and reliably run the applications you need, including Office.

    Lol, no.

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      It means it's time for businesses to figure out how to use LibreOffice

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      I forced it on our office over maybe 15 years ago, I've finally just about stopped receiving complaints. The vast majority of the push back was document compatibility, but not in the way you think.
      The problem was the original document was created by a fucktard or opened by one, so many people don't know how to correctly format a document using styles, know how to use page breaks, line breaks, etc etc. that's us recieving documents and creating documents.
      To be fair I didn't initially fully understand this as well, but it literally took me 4 hours to read the manual.

      Other problems include Microsoft's fuckery using a supposedly open standard and allow proprietary code/content within the same open standard.

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        I can see a lot of smaller companies (and maybe one or two reasonably big ones) opting for air-gapped networks of old operating systems and older versions of Office. A fool's errand, sure, and for a number of reasons, but it's cheap, and upper management likes cheap.

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        Problem for them is under the current subscription model, the apps need to periodically phone home to check the license status or else they cease work.

        The alternative is paying Microsoft for an expensive perpetual license of the last set of offline-only apps, which are from 2021.

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          I forced it on our office over maybe 15 years ago, I've finally just about stopped receiving complaints. The vast majority of the push back was document compatibility, but not in the way you think.
          The problem was the original document was created by a fucktard or opened by one, so many people don't know how to correctly format a document using styles, know how to use page breaks, line breaks, etc etc. that's us recieving documents and creating documents.
          To be fair I didn't initially fully understand this as well, but it literally took me 4 hours to read the manual.

          Other problems include Microsoft's fuckery using a supposedly open standard and allow proprietary code/content within the same open standard.

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          And don't get me started with special macros and basic code that only works in ms office.

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            It means it's time for businesses to figure out how to use LibreOffice

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            Or OnlyOffice. It lacks a lot of features but is an easier sell in a lot of cases because of the much more modern interface.

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              I'll keep on using Google docs like I do now. BAM

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                And don't get me started with special macros and basic code that only works in ms office.

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                Databases basically built inside excel 😐

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                  Databases basically built inside excel 😐

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                  Or Access, which is the real reason my office will never switch. It's an ever growing mountain of labor to transfer that to something else

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                    I really don’t like Microsoft, but the two products I think Microsoft got mostly right are Microsoft Office and Visual Studio. I really can’t find comparable products.

                    Open office and forks feel like Microsoft Office 97. While usable, it takes me twice as long to do things. I would almost prefer to use a LaTeX editor over word. Excel? Idk

                    From a business perspective, it doesn’t make sense to switch to libre office. W10 support also ends 10/25. It is highly irresponsible for an IT department to continue to use EOL products so they should be changing to W11 and new Microsoft office

                    For individuals, I mean…. I just installed a W10 VM to give me more time to find a Linux compatible alternative to turbo tax and to use visual studio so idk

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                    Freetaxusa.com does pretty much what turbo tax does. Federal filing for free, pretty sure they just charge $15 for state. If your taxes are too complex for freetaxusa you probably shouldn't use turbo tax anyway.

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                      I really don’t like Microsoft, but the two products I think Microsoft got mostly right are Microsoft Office and Visual Studio. I really can’t find comparable products.

                      Open office and forks feel like Microsoft Office 97. While usable, it takes me twice as long to do things. I would almost prefer to use a LaTeX editor over word. Excel? Idk

                      From a business perspective, it doesn’t make sense to switch to libre office. W10 support also ends 10/25. It is highly irresponsible for an IT department to continue to use EOL products so they should be changing to W11 and new Microsoft office

                      For individuals, I mean…. I just installed a W10 VM to give me more time to find a Linux compatible alternative to turbo tax and to use visual studio so idk

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                      To replace TurboTax I reccomend freetaxusa.com.

                      Works exactly like TurboTax without giving any money to Intuit. Federal filing is free but you do have to pay to file state taxes through them ($14.99). It will ask several times if you want to buy their audit protection but you can just select no and keep going.

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                        I really don’t like Microsoft, but the two products I think Microsoft got mostly right are Microsoft Office and Visual Studio. I really can’t find comparable products.

                        Open office and forks feel like Microsoft Office 97. While usable, it takes me twice as long to do things. I would almost prefer to use a LaTeX editor over word. Excel? Idk

                        From a business perspective, it doesn’t make sense to switch to libre office. W10 support also ends 10/25. It is highly irresponsible for an IT department to continue to use EOL products so they should be changing to W11 and new Microsoft office

                        For individuals, I mean…. I just installed a W10 VM to give me more time to find a Linux compatible alternative to turbo tax and to use visual studio so idk

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                        Visual studio code has vs codium, which is a free and open source alternative. I've tested it a bit and it's really nice! But yeah, not vs

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                          Visual studio code has vs codium, which is a free and open source alternative. I've tested it a bit and it's really nice! But yeah, not vs

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                          Yeah I tried vscode but it’s just similar enough to vs yet different enough to be frustrating

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                            To replace TurboTax I reccomend freetaxusa.com.

                            Works exactly like TurboTax without giving any money to Intuit. Federal filing is free but you do have to pay to file state taxes through them ($14.99). It will ask several times if you want to buy their audit protection but you can just select no and keep going.

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                            So I did consider that before going with the VM. My big issue with that is that it looks like a lot of sensitive information is stored online, whereas TurboTax stores my information on the local machine and only transmits as needed.

                            Any feedback to the contrary would be appreciated

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                              You have the same options you always had. Upgrade to Windows 11, switch to Apple, switch to *nix.

                              I just nuked windows off my last computer and went pure Linux.

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                                I wonder if this also means that specialty license of 10 that isn't stopping support. I was considering using that before going to 11. The name escapes me of what it was, though.

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                                  Problem for them is under the current subscription model, the apps need to periodically phone home to check the license status or else they cease work.

                                  The alternative is paying Microsoft for an expensive perpetual license of the last set of offline-only apps, which are from 2021.

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                                  I mean has a word processor really changed much since 2021?

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                                    Or OnlyOffice. It lacks a lot of features but is an easier sell in a lot of cases because of the much more modern interface.

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                                    Libreoffice with the ribbon interface looks about the same to me.

                                    OnlyOffice is basically an electron browser app IIRC which is why the performance is so poor.

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                                      Problem for them is under the current subscription model, the apps need to periodically phone home to check the license status or else they cease work.

                                      The alternative is paying Microsoft for an expensive perpetual license of the last set of offline-only apps, which are from 2021.

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                                      At that point I'd just use one of the tools to bypass checks. Would still have legitimate licenses and everything.

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                                        I mean has a word processor really changed much since 2021?

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                                        I think the question is more "Will Microsoft ever make an offline release again?"

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                                          I forced it on our office over maybe 15 years ago, I've finally just about stopped receiving complaints. The vast majority of the push back was document compatibility, but not in the way you think.
                                          The problem was the original document was created by a fucktard or opened by one, so many people don't know how to correctly format a document using styles, know how to use page breaks, line breaks, etc etc. that's us recieving documents and creating documents.
                                          To be fair I didn't initially fully understand this as well, but it literally took me 4 hours to read the manual.

                                          Other problems include Microsoft's fuckery using a supposedly open standard and allow proprietary code/content within the same open standard.

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                                          The number of people who move text around by adding spaces is too damn high!

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