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‘The tyranny of apps’: those without smartphones are unfairly penalised, say campaigners

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    I recently shared a meal with a female friend. Imagine how I'd look if I wasn't able to get money transferred from her, because of not having a mobile banking app.

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      No way would I use that app.

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      We're talking of what is, technically a bank (Moey), that entered my country through another bank. What is even stranger is that you can't even go to one of those banks and make a deposit on you account.

      I use the services of what you can consider the most de-materialized bank in my country, which has less than twenty physical locations in the entire country, but they have a very robust help line and you can use the locations of another bank in the same group to deposit money to your account.

      But Moey? Either the money is wired in or your stuck.

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        I mean I use Cashapp, but I could also not use it and my life wouldn't be much harder

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        I don't know what Cashapp is but I'm going to take the risk and say it's a fintech that handles direct money services. How off am I?

        But I'm talking about a bank. The institution only exists through an app. Let's say you do a odd job and you get paid cash. You can't deposit that money: there is no place or way to do so.

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          Well, you're technically correct lol

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          I hope you can see that, as an owner of a Android flip phone, it is annoying to see people use "flip phone" as a synonym for "dumb phone". BTW not all dumb phones were flip phones, only the final wave of dumb phones generally were.

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            I hope you can see that, as an owner of a Android flip phone, it is annoying to see people use "flip phone" as a synonym for "dumb phone". BTW not all dumb phones were flip phones, only the final wave of dumb phones generally were.

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            @btaf45 @nossaquesapao thank god someone had pointed this out because I'm old and I've been getting confused. Nokia 3310 all the way

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              I for one cheer and root for my flip phone friends.

              I'd never do it, but we have one at work and he's singlehandedly causing so much grief at work. Because none of the engineers wanna use a security app for login. They want a fob.

              IT refuses to pay for fobs and wants us to use an app, but they also don't want to pay for a phone for anyone in engineering just to use the security app because it opens a floodgate of people with company phones.

              It's just wonderful to watch this fight from the sidelines sipping tea.

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              I have no smartphone and am unable to access any of my college resources or email from home because you need a security app for remote login.
              I've got in trouble a few times for it but idk what I'm supposed to do. I wasn't able to access my Exam Timetable because of this and had to ask some friends when the exams were because my teachers didn't know (somehow). It's very annoying.

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                My job does this too. It’s literally just cost cutting. The fobs expire and need to be replaced every so often but the app lasts “forever”.

                IMO the fobs pay for themselves because what they are spending on fobs is the same as what they’re spending on IT members answering calls all day for employees that are having login issues with the app.

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                I worked a job where I had to have an app that tracked me wherever I went. I finally had to tell my boss I couldn't use it anymore because it was killing my battery in like 3 hours.

                If I was still working and a job wanted me to put an app on my personal phone I'd tell them to go fuck themselves.

                Just another way capitalists thieve money from its workers.

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                  I don't know what Cashapp is but I'm going to take the risk and say it's a fintech that handles direct money services. How off am I?

                  But I'm talking about a bank. The institution only exists through an app. Let's say you do a odd job and you get paid cash. You can't deposit that money: there is no place or way to do so.

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                  fintech that handles direct money services

                  Even more succinct and accurate than how I would have described it lol

                  Cashapp is also sort of an entirely online pseudo bank. There are places that let you deposit and withdraw cash, but they're like two steps above Bitcoin ATMs

                  I do know people who have these fully online banks though. It's so much worse than just using a credit union. Imagine having to pay to pull cash out of your bank account

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                    I recently shared a meal with a female friend. Imagine how I'd look if I wasn't able to get money transferred from her, because of not having a mobile banking app.

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                    Y'all not heard of cash?

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                      I have no smartphone and am unable to access any of my college resources or email from home because you need a security app for remote login.
                      I've got in trouble a few times for it but idk what I'm supposed to do. I wasn't able to access my Exam Timetable because of this and had to ask some friends when the exams were because my teachers didn't know (somehow). It's very annoying.

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                      You could install an android emulator on your personal computer then run the authenticator from there.

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                        You could install an android emulator on your personal computer then run the authenticator from there.

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                        The authenticator requires you to be in the college's network to set it up for the first time and I don't have a laptop.

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                          You could install an android emulator on your personal computer then run the authenticator from there.

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                          @toynbee @DeaDvey aren't there authenticators that run on desktop browsers? Or does it have to be a specific one

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                            The authenticator requires you to be in the college's network to set it up for the first time and I don't have a laptop.

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                            Ah, that does complicate matters. Good luck.

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                            • flisty@mstdn.socialF [email protected]

                              @toynbee @DeaDvey aren't there authenticators that run on desktop browsers? Or does it have to be a specific one

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                              The OC said in a different comment that you must be on the college network to set it up.

                              You don't need to tag me, by the way; I get a notification if someone responds to me directly.

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                                The OC said in a different comment that you must be on the college network to set it up.

                                You don't need to tag me, by the way; I get a notification if someone responds to me directly.

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                                sorry, I'm viewing this from mastodon so the setup's different.

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                                  sorry, I'm viewing this from mastodon so the setup's different.

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                                  All good. Hope you have a great day!

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                                    @toynbee @DeaDvey aren't there authenticators that run on desktop browsers? Or does it have to be a specific one

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                                    Yes, it's a specific one. App only.

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                                      Dang it!

                                      I fell for it.

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                                        I'm open to hear if you guys disagree with me, but that is not simply about not having a smartphone as much as it is about not having cell service, not using data service. If a person uses a libre VoIP app, there is no need for cell service, and people actually can live happy lives disconnected from internet when they are outside or in public.

                                        Society must revert their mentality and not expect constant immediate access to everything. Absolutely nothing happens on the internet for personal activity that can't wait a few hours or the next day.

                                        I use phone only for direct communication, zero multimedia, zero social media on phone. Everything else is done on computer. Especially banking, that is on computer website only for security, never on phone. I despise and resent using a phone for websites

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                                          If you do the calculation, the discount you get in the end is often just 1%. I don't really care about that 1%. You can get more, but the time you have to invest to get a better deal makes less money than just work an extra hour.

                                          And some of those loyalty programs have expiring points, that happen to expire just before you get to the tier when things get interesting. And when you do save up to the food stuff you find out the app is a lot better at collecting loyalty points and doesn't work so great at exchanging them.

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                                          The main thing this article is talking about is supermarkets in the UK that lock all their sale offers behind the loyalty card. Until about a year or two ago, you could go in and buy things on sale or buy one get one free or whatever offer, and then use (or don't use) your loyalty card on top (to collect/spend points), but now you don't get any discounts if you don't have a loyalty card.

                                          The article/campaigners are spinning this up into something about smartphones, because that's how most people use these loyalty schemes now, but they still have the old style cards so that's a bit of a red herring. The real issue is the way they're tying their standard offers to the loyalty program, and making it more difficult for consumers not to get caught out paying full price.

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