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Scientists move to Bluesky, transitioning away from X and Meta platforms

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  • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.orgX [email protected]

    Except it does matter. Your choice of server affects what content you’re allowed to see and what people you’re allowed to interact with.

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    Yes but no, not really. Most instances federate with all the same other instances.

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      A fediverse, but not the fediverse (ActivityPub)

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      Why is ActivityPub "the" Fediverse? "Fediverse" is very broad and encompasses multiple protocols, a lot of which predate ActivityPub becoming commonplace.

      The original Fediverse apps are still around and don't use ActivityPub. For example, StatusNet / GNU Social use OStatus and Identica uses Activity Streams / ActivityPump (which was the protocol before ActivityPub). diaspora (if it's still around) used its own protocol too.

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      • smeg@infosec.pubS [email protected]

        How many times can people keep making the same mistake without us concluding they're stupid? Closed corporate social networks ALWAYS go to shit. Enshitification is inevitable. And you'll have the sunk cost fallacy stopping them from leaving, until they all finally get fed up and switch again. Own your network - stop swapping.

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        Scientists should consult tech people about stuff like this just like we should consult scientists for science stuff.

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        • sunshine@lemmy.caS [email protected]
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          Cool. I'm going out on a limb and saying Bluesky seems pretty based so far. I made an account when it was announced, and it's pretty cool. Nice app, seemingly good mission statement.

          I don't want to dismiss something until it actually turns to shit. If it's good now, I'll use it now. When it turns to crap, I'll just jump off. I'll always have Lemmy and Mastodon as my mains, so I don't see the harm personally. 🤷‍♂️ Let's just hope it'll last for the scientists' sake.

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          • zachariah@lemmy.worldZ [email protected]

            The email experience starts with an unanswerable question: what server do you want to be on?

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            No that decision is, for most people, made for them. You use the server provided for you by your ISP/work/university or the one that's associated with logging into your smartphone.

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              Why are they selecting BlueSky over the Fediverse?

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              Presumably either because they've not heard of the Fediverse, because almost nobody has, and/or because they want people to actually see what they post.

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                All these people - they don't learn.

                For microblogs NOSTR is already better than everything else, right now. Provided you don't care much about keeping the same identity over years, cause an identity is a pubkey there, used directly (no temporary identities signed by it or something), so with more popularity those will be lost again and again.

                I don't use microblogs, just it seems to have that functionality functioning perfectly and in distributed fashion.

                If you don't like cryptobros there (less and less dominant over time btw), then BlueSky might raise even bigger suspicions.

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                  Proof that people rarely know much about anything outside of their field. They'll just be playing this song and dance again when the Bluesky owner cashes in.

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                    Cool. I'm going out on a limb and saying Bluesky seems pretty based so far. I made an account when it was announced, and it's pretty cool. Nice app, seemingly good mission statement.

                    I don't want to dismiss something until it actually turns to shit. If it's good now, I'll use it now. When it turns to crap, I'll just jump off. I'll always have Lemmy and Mastodon as my mains, so I don't see the harm personally. 🤷‍♂️ Let's just hope it'll last for the scientists' sake.

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                    Problem is it absolutely will turn when the Bluesky owners Jay Graber and Jack Dorsey decide it's time to cash in. The project started out as a way to start decentralizing twitter, but they never actually accomplished that goal.

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                    • smeg@infosec.pubS [email protected]

                      How many times can people keep making the same mistake without us concluding they're stupid? Closed corporate social networks ALWAYS go to shit. Enshitification is inevitable. And you'll have the sunk cost fallacy stopping them from leaving, until they all finally get fed up and switch again. Own your network - stop swapping.

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                      But we did leave and if (or when) it becomes enshitified, we will move again. We don't need an idealised platform, we just want something easy to use which doesn't (yet) have the baggage and culture of twiXer

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                        Neat, I have an account on there already.

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                          Non-EU folk - this website won’t open in EU because they don’t want to follow our local user privacy protections. What they’re going to do with your data? Who knows.

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                            Non-EU folk - this website won’t open in EU because they don’t want to follow our local user privacy protections. What they’re going to do with your data? Who knows.

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                            Archive

                            But yeah, you're 100% right.

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                              Problem is it absolutely will turn when the Bluesky owners Jay Graber and Jack Dorsey decide it's time to cash in. The project started out as a way to start decentralizing twitter, but they never actually accomplished that goal.

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                              Jack Dorsey has nothing to do with Bluesky

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                                Why switch to BlueSky if you have Mastodon...

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                                • virkkunen@fedia.ioV [email protected]

                                  Jack Dorsey has nothing to do with Bluesky

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                                  Aside from being its founder. I know he left the board, but I haven't seen any reason to believe he gave up ownership rights.

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                                    Aside from being its founder. I know he left the board, but I haven't seen any reason to believe he gave up ownership rights.

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                                    Leaving the board of directors is pretty much as giving up ownership rights. He has nothing to do with Bluesky anymore and he makes us sure he doesn't want to.

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                                    • avia_vik@jlai.luA [email protected]

                                      Why switch to BlueSky if you have Mastodon...

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                                      In a word, audience. I'd prefer it if everyone went with Mastodon, but the audience on BlueSky is orders of magnitude bigger. I cross post to both, but only because I don't trust BlueSky not to do exactly what Twitter and Meta have done eventually.

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                                      • virkkunen@fedia.ioV [email protected]

                                        Leaving the board of directors is pretty much as giving up ownership rights. He has nothing to do with Bluesky anymore and he makes us sure he doesn't want to.

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                                        It means he doesn't directly manage it. Proof that he sold his ownership to somebody else would be evidence of giving up ownership rights.

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                                        • avia_vik@jlai.luA [email protected]

                                          Why switch to BlueSky if you have Mastodon...

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                                          I'm on both and Mastodon is missing (at least in any easy to use way) most of the features that make Bluesky such a good destination:

                                          • instant add subscribe lists
                                          • subscribable block lists
                                          • custom feeds/subscribable algorithms
                                          • keyword/topic blocks
                                          • nuclear block where you never see the blocked person again
                                          • optional discover feed
                                          • DM preferences

                                          All these things (and more I'm sure I'm forgetting), make Bluesky very quick to get started with and very powerful for honing your feeds to be exactly how you want and free of harassment and trolling.

                                          I am still trying with Mastodon, but it's really slow going and I can fully understand why people wouldn't bother. After a year I am way behind where I was in a week with Bluesky.

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