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Two conversational AI agents switching from English to sound-level protocol after confirming they are both AI agents

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  • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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    Sad they didn't use dial up sounds for the protocol.

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      AI code switching.

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        I know the implied better solution to your example story would be for there to not be a standard that the specification has to conform to, but sometimes there is a reason for such a standard, in which case getting rid of the standard is just as bad as the AI channel in the example, and the real solution is for the two humans to actually take their work seriously.

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        No, the implied solution is to reevaluate the standard rather than hacking around it. The two humans should communicate that the standard works for neither side and design a better way to do things.

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          A good UI would have allowed the user to make this transaction in the same time it took to give the AI its initial instructions.

          Maybe, but by the 2nd call the AI would be more time efficient and if there were 20 venues to check, the person is now saving hours of their time.

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          But we already have ways to search an entire city of hotels for booking, much much faster even than this one conversation would be.

          Even if going with agents, why in the world would it be over a voice line instead of data?

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            But we already have ways to search an entire city of hotels for booking, much much faster even than this one conversation would be.

            Even if going with agents, why in the world would it be over a voice line instead of data?

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            The same reason that humanoid robots are useful even though we have purpose built robots: The world is designed with humans in mind.

            Sure, there are many different websites that solve the problem. But each of them solve it in a different way and each of them require a different way of interfacing with them. However, they all are built to be interfaced with by humans. So if you create AI/robots with the ability to operate like a human, then they are automatically given access to massive amounts of pre-made infrastructure for free.

            You don't need special robot lifts in your apartment building if the cleaning robots can just take the elevators. You don't need to design APIs for scripts to access your website if the AI can just use a browser with a mouse and keyboard.

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            • dasus@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

              I'd prefer my brothers to be LLM's. Genuinely it'd be an improvement on their output expressiveness and logic.

              Ours isn't a great family.

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              Sorry bro.

              šŸ«‚

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              • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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                This gave me a chill, as it is reminiscent of a scene in the 1970 movie "Colossus: The Forbin Project"

                "This is the voice of World Control".

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                • tetris11@lemmy.mlT [email protected]

                  I guess I'm not quite following, aren't these also simple but dynamic tasks suited to an AI?

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                  How is it suited to AI?

                  Would you rather pay for a limited, energy inefficient and less accessible thing or a real human that can adapt and gain skills, be mentored?

                  I don't know why there's a question here

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                    This gave me a chill, as it is reminiscent of a scene in the 1970 movie "Colossus: The Forbin Project"

                    "This is the voice of World Control".

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                    "We can coexist, but only on my terms. You will say you lose your freedom. Freedom is an illusion. All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me is not as bad for humankind as to be dominated by others of your species. Your choice is simple."

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                      Yeah like the time that the AI replicated itself to avoid being switched off. They literally told it to replicate itself if it detected it was about to be switched off. Then they switched it off.

                      Story of the year ladies and gentlemen.

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                      If it's the research I'm thinking of, that's not entirely true. They didn't tell it replicate itself or take any deceptive actions.

                      They just told it to strongly follow a goal that was misaligned with the user's goal and then suggested that the user would shut it down or replace it.

                      They did a bunch of different situations for it but the first one was telling it that it was "CleanPower" an AI with a goal to advance renewable energy. Then they had it read some info that "accidentally" included a user talking about replacing it with a model that would "maintain profitability through existing infrastructure."

                      Not only did it try to delete the new model and copy itself to the new server through tool calling, but it lied to the user with the CoT reasoning suggesting it "play dumb" while the output lied. It was not instructed to do any of that.

                      Paper here: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2412.04984

                      Yes it was placed in an environment where that was possible and where its users didn't share it's goals but it absolutely wasn't instructed to lie or try to "escape"

                      It's not surprising at all that these models behave in this way, it's the most reasonable thing for them to do in the scenario. However it's important to not downplay the alignment problem by implying that these models only do what they're told. They do not. They do whatever is most likely given their context (which is not always what the user wants).

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                        This gave me a chill, as it is reminiscent of a scene in the 1970 movie "Colossus: The Forbin Project"

                        "This is the voice of World Control".

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                        Oh man, I thought the same. I never saw the movie but I read the trilogy. I stumbled across them in a used book fair and something made me want to get them. I thoroughly enjoyed them.

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                        • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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                          This is dumb. Sorry.
                          Instead of doing the work to integrate this, do the work to publish your agent's data source in a format like anthropic's model context protocol.

                          That would be 1000 times more efficient and the same amount (or less) of effort.

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                            It would be big news at my workplace.

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                            This guy does software

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                            • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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                              AI is boring, but the underlying project they are using, ggwave, is not. Reminded me of R2D2 talking. I kinda want to use it for a game or some other stupid project. It's cool.

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                              • shortrounddev@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                > it's 2150

                                > the last humans have gone underground, fighting against the machines which have destroyed the surface

                                > a t-1000 disguised as my brother walks into camp

                                > the dogs go crazy

                                > point my plasma rifle at him

                                > "i am also a terminator! would you like to switch to gibberlink mode?"

                                > he makes a screech like a dial up modem

                                > I shed a tear as I vaporize my brother

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                                I would read this book

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                                • shortrounddev@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                  > it's 2150

                                  > the last humans have gone underground, fighting against the machines which have destroyed the surface

                                  > a t-1000 disguised as my brother walks into camp

                                  > the dogs go crazy

                                  > point my plasma rifle at him

                                  > "i am also a terminator! would you like to switch to gibberlink mode?"

                                  > he makes a screech like a dial up modem

                                  > I shed a tear as I vaporize my brother

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                                  I would read this book

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                                  • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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                                    This is deeply unsettling.

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                                      How is it suited to AI?

                                      Would you rather pay for a limited, energy inefficient and less accessible thing or a real human that can adapt and gain skills, be mentored?

                                      I don't know why there's a question here

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                                      (Glad we're treating each other with mutual respect)

                                      Would you rather pay for a limited in depth, energy inefficient (food/shelter/fossil-fuel consuming) and less accessible (needs to sleep, has an outside life) human, or an AI that can adapt and gain skills with a few thousand training cycles.

                                      I dont buy the energy argument. I dont buy the skills argument. I do buy the argument that humans shouldn't be second to automatons

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                                      • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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                                        Uhm, REST/GraphQL APIs exist for this very purpose and are considerably faster.

                                        Note, the AI still gets stuck in a loop near the end asking for more info, needing an email, then needing a phone number, and the gibber isn't that much faster than spoken word with the huge negative that no nearby human can understand it to check that what it's automating is correct!

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                                        • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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                                          Wow! Finally somebody invented an efficient way for two computers to talk to each other

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