[Gamers Nexus] The RTX 50 Disaster
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I'm looking for a new gaming laptop. It's impossible to find any with an AMD GPU here.
I did a search on "gaming laptop with amd gpu" in DuckDuckGo and got THIS link that listed gaming laptops.
I'm sure that if you take more time than you did to reply to me to look for them, you'd find them.
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I did a search on "gaming laptop with amd gpu" in DuckDuckGo and got THIS link that listed gaming laptops.
I'm sure that if you take more time than you did to reply to me to look for them, you'd find them.
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Except that none of the major retailers in my country sell these.
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Except that none of the major retailers in my country sell these.
Which country is that?
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Which country is that?
The Netherlands. I checked a lot of major retailers like CoolBlue, MediaMarkt, Informatique, etc. The only radeons are low budget ones.
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AMD’s first party drivers are still garbage.
As I mentioned in my comment you replied to, I use Linux, and not Windows, so can't speak (today) towards AMD's Windows drivers.
For me, I let Linux worry about the drivers, so I don't have to.
Best decision I've ever made, PC build wise. So nice to get away from NVidia and not worry about graphics drivers.
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You're missing my point. AMD's official Linux drivers are ALSO garbage. Try it. Go install AMDVLK and check how well games work. You're almost certainly using RADV, which was not developed by AMD.
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You're missing my point. AMD's official Linux drivers are ALSO garbage. Try it. Go install AMDVLK and check how well games work. You're almost certainly using RADV, which was not developed by AMD.
You’re missing my point. AMD’s official Linux drivers are ALSO garbage. Try it. Go install AMDVLK and check how well games work. You’re almost certainly using RADV, which was not developed by AMD.
I'm using whichever one Proton/Steam uses. I'm assuming its AMDVLK because its the 'official' one. I think I remember RADV being switched away from in Proton a year or two ago, but don't hold me to that. I checked my enviromental variable "AMD_VULKAN_ICD" but didn't see it set to anything.
Whichever one I'm using, I get 120fps on my 3D games (playing No Man's Sky and/or Baldur's Gate 3 on the second monitor while typing) running them through Steam/Proton without a hiccup. Never a problem.
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The Netherlands. I checked a lot of major retailers like CoolBlue, MediaMarkt, Informatique, etc. The only radeons are low budget ones.
Bummer. And I had such high/good thoughts about the Netherlands.
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You’re missing my point. AMD’s official Linux drivers are ALSO garbage. Try it. Go install AMDVLK and check how well games work. You’re almost certainly using RADV, which was not developed by AMD.
I'm using whichever one Proton/Steam uses. I'm assuming its AMDVLK because its the 'official' one. I think I remember RADV being switched away from in Proton a year or two ago, but don't hold me to that. I checked my enviromental variable "AMD_VULKAN_ICD" but didn't see it set to anything.
Whichever one I'm using, I get 120fps on my 3D games (playing No Man's Sky and/or Baldur's Gate 3 on the second monitor while typing) running them through Steam/Proton without a hiccup. Never a problem.
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The default driver used by Fedora is RADV. Steam/Proton does not choose your Vulkan driver. That's why your games run well - you aren't using the one made by AMD.
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I dual boot and can confirm the drivers on Windows are perfectly fine (I have a 7800XT). There is still a jank factor with the included gui and you have to stop windows from auto "updating" (actually a downgrade) the graphics drivers because windows sucks ass.
I have had issues with drivers on my 6900XT—either freezes in Fortnite or stutters in Delta Force with the latest drivers. Rolling back to 24.8.1 has largely fixed the issues.
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The default driver used by Fedora is RADV. Steam/Proton does not choose your Vulkan driver. That's why your games run well - you aren't using the one made by AMD.
Help me with THIS then?
This suggests that both (most/all??) are bundled, and you could even run one program in one driver and another program with the other driver.
This was mentioned in that post/thread as well ...
Also if you use AMD card RADV is the best for gaming and it's the default for most distros so it's an out of the box experience
Its also mentioned that environmental variables can be set at runtime to switch on the fly (at program startup) which is used. I just don't know if Proton does any of that for you under the covers at startup or if you have to manually add the parameters to the properties for the Steam game to force it to use another one.
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Help me with THIS then?
This suggests that both (most/all??) are bundled, and you could even run one program in one driver and another program with the other driver.
This was mentioned in that post/thread as well ...
Also if you use AMD card RADV is the best for gaming and it's the default for most distros so it's an out of the box experience
Its also mentioned that environmental variables can be set at runtime to switch on the fly (at program startup) which is used. I just don't know if Proton does any of that for you under the covers at startup or if you have to manually add the parameters to the properties for the Steam game to force it to use another one.
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I don't think AMDVLK is even shipped by default with Fedora. It can definitely be installed, but there's not much reason to as it's a really bad Vulkan driver.
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I can't wait for Intel to step up their game and for AMD to reengage. We really need the competition.
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Why? Even when AMD had better performance for cheaper long ago, everyone bought Nvidia instead. If consumers don't care, why should AMD or Intel? Mindshare is hard to beat.
The average consumer is not informed and they equate graphics to Nvidia. On a recent WAN show Linus was pontificating on whether tech reviewers even matter, considering the audience penetration numbers, and even inflating for the one tech person in the family spreading the message, compared to the overall units of cards moved, it was like a drop in the bucket, not even close.
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I don't think AMDVLK is even shipped by default with Fedora. It can definitely be installed, but there's not much reason to as it's a really bad Vulkan driver.
I don’t think AMDVLK is even installed by default with Fedora.
From that link I sent you it seems like it has to, because it's the low-level driver, and then RADV is a user space one that calls into it.
That's basically what I'm asking you about, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying it's an either or, but that other comment that I linked you states that they're both needed, one is system level, and the other is user space level.
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I don’t think AMDVLK is even installed by default with Fedora.
From that link I sent you it seems like it has to, because it's the low-level driver, and then RADV is a user space one that calls into it.
That's basically what I'm asking you about, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying it's an either or, but that other comment that I linked you states that they're both needed, one is system level, and the other is user space level.
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No, AMDVLK is also a user space driver. You're confusing it with AMDGPU, which is a kernel module.
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No, AMDVLK is also a user space driver. You're confusing it with AMDGPU, which is a kernel module.
Ah, ok. Thanks.
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Why? Even when AMD had better performance for cheaper long ago, everyone bought Nvidia instead. If consumers don't care, why should AMD or Intel? Mindshare is hard to beat.
The average consumer is not informed and they equate graphics to Nvidia. On a recent WAN show Linus was pontificating on whether tech reviewers even matter, considering the audience penetration numbers, and even inflating for the one tech person in the family spreading the message, compared to the overall units of cards moved, it was like a drop in the bucket, not even close.
It takes time to alter the course of the market. Intel has been shitting the bed with their CPU-s for over a decade and in that time frame the market has gone from something like 95% Intel, 5% AMD to ~60% Intel, 40% AMD. The average consumer doesn't really care about Intel vs AMD either, but somehow the market has shifted. We just have to hope Nvidia shits the bed for the next decade.
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It takes time to alter the course of the market. Intel has been shitting the bed with their CPU-s for over a decade and in that time frame the market has gone from something like 95% Intel, 5% AMD to ~60% Intel, 40% AMD. The average consumer doesn't really care about Intel vs AMD either, but somehow the market has shifted. We just have to hope Nvidia shits the bed for the next decade.
I feel like that discounts Intel's anti competitive practices that were brought to light and litigated. For all we know, that played the biggest role. Granted Ryzen was a massive improvement over Bulldozer, and sure Intel basically stagnated during that time.
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I dual boot and can confirm the drivers on Windows are perfectly fine (I have a 7800XT). There is still a jank factor with the included gui and you have to stop windows from auto "updating" (actually a downgrade) the graphics drivers because windows sucks ass.
Can confirm. Have been using AMD since the HD5000 series day, always on Windows, never had an issue with the drivers.
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