Engagement Era gameplay
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I think marvel rivals is the worst! They make you "win easily" by placing you vs actual bots... Not sure about other games tho but Rivals is so obvious
Lots of games have poor matchmakers whether by malicious design or outright laziness. Over a decade ago Ubisoft specifically patterned a matchmaker learning tool that watches how long you play, how many matches you play, and how many losses you "put up with" without quitting, thereby deciding how often to sprinkle in steamroll wins. They swore it was "just to patent it and that no projects are planned to use this", but when does the industry not lie through their teeth.
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I think marvel rivals is the worst! They make you "win easily" by placing you vs actual bots... Not sure about other games tho but Rivals is so obvious
This is only the case if you're getting stomped in quick play. Comp matches don't have bots fortunately and I've had plenty of close games
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Sacrifice every quality in your game for Engaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagement. What could go wrong. People will be so addicted to Green they will put up with any amount of Red. Maybe sell some Crossover Skins to make even more money on top of a Battle Pass, with Lootboxes!
Is this complaining about skill-based matchmaking?
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Lots of games have poor matchmakers whether by malicious design or outright laziness. Over a decade ago Ubisoft specifically patterned a matchmaker learning tool that watches how long you play, how many matches you play, and how many losses you "put up with" without quitting, thereby deciding how often to sprinkle in steamroll wins. They swore it was "just to patent it and that no projects are planned to use this", but when does the industry not lie through their teeth.
The truth of the matter is that actual good matchmaking is extremely difficult, and it only gets harder the more players you have in a match.
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This is only the case if you're getting stomped in quick play. Comp matches don't have bots fortunately and I've had plenty of close games
Yeah but its annoying, especially when I first tried it with a friend
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Sacrifice every quality in your game for Engaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagement. What could go wrong. People will be so addicted to Green they will put up with any amount of Red. Maybe sell some Crossover Skins to make even more money on top of a Battle Pass, with Lootboxes!
I pretty much stopped playing games altogether because I am addicted to the yellow. Close matches are awesome, no matter if my side wins or loses.
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Sacrifice every quality in your game for Engaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagement. What could go wrong. People will be so addicted to Green they will put up with any amount of Red. Maybe sell some Crossover Skins to make even more money on top of a Battle Pass, with Lootboxes!
Overwatch is the worst for this.
Game one: We absolutely steamroll and as tank I do more than both DPS players put together. Yay.
Game two: We get our asses kicked and some Ana who doesn't know to switch or group up when they're getting dived spends the whole endgame screaming how awful our tank is.
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Is this complaining about skill-based matchmaking?
No, it's complaining about how some games are so swingy that even with skill-based matchmaking the game always seems to be a landslide in one direction or the other.
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I think marvel rivals is the worst! They make you "win easily" by placing you vs actual bots... Not sure about other games tho but Rivals is so obvious
I hear people say this but I’ve yet to see it, usually just toxic people calling the losing team bots
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Sacrifice every quality in your game for Engaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagement. What could go wrong. People will be so addicted to Green they will put up with any amount of Red. Maybe sell some Crossover Skins to make even more money on top of a Battle Pass, with Lootboxes!
The spread of "skill-based" matchmaking and ranked competitive ladders largely took away a valuable communal aspect of online multiplayer games, IMO. Getting dropped into a match with a bunch of random people you'll probably never see again just makes things so impersonal, which can cultivate a lot of toxicity.
Some of the best times I've ever had with online gaming were from finding a dedicated server with settings I liked, hanging out there often, and gradually getting to know the regulars and becoming part of a community. I've never had that kind of feeling from a game with automated matchmaking.
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I pretty much stopped playing games altogether because I am addicted to the yellow. Close matches are awesome, no matter if my side wins or loses.
100% agree! Sure, it might be disappointing if you spend 15 minutes in an intense back and forth before eventually losing, but it feels good! If one side is going to absolutely dominate the other, though, at least let it be over quickly.
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The truth of the matter is that actual good matchmaking is extremely difficult, and it only gets harder the more players you have in a match.
Shhhh, its just the lazy devs who also work super hard to make it terrible. /s
Everyone thinks their game of choice has bad match making, but it's just salt most of the time and doesn't pan out when actually tested and measured objectively. If match making was perfect they would win 50% of the time, but perfection is impossible because the system can only work with the players online right now. Those players aren't equally good every day, either, nor are they equally good against all other players, or on all maps. It's a moving target.
That doesn't even touch on cross play, or premade teams, which further complicate it.
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100% agree! Sure, it might be disappointing if you spend 15 minutes in an intense back and forth before eventually losing, but it feels good! If one side is going to absolutely dominate the other, though, at least let it be over quickly.
Absolutely. If all you care about is the win at the end then maybe you don't actually enjoy the game, you just enjoy dopamine.
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Sacrifice every quality in your game for Engaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagement. What could go wrong. People will be so addicted to Green they will put up with any amount of Red. Maybe sell some Crossover Skins to make even more money on top of a Battle Pass, with Lootboxes!
Games don't use catch-up mechanics anymore, because those take time. In the old days, if you played CTF or objective-push maps, there would be an automatic catch-up in that the side losing would get closer to their spawn. Now, that's all gone.
And MOBA is even worse, because it has escalation mechanics. If you lose a small edge at the start, you lose big later.
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Sacrifice every quality in your game for Engaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagement. What could go wrong. People will be so addicted to Green they will put up with any amount of Red. Maybe sell some Crossover Skins to make even more money on top of a Battle Pass, with Lootboxes!
This is why I quit PvP after call of duty mw2 (reboot,)
I knew I was being manipulated. It's why I completely have quit PvP and stick with PvE or single player.
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Sacrifice every quality in your game for Engaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagement. What could go wrong. People will be so addicted to Green they will put up with any amount of Red. Maybe sell some Crossover Skins to make even more money on top of a Battle Pass, with Lootboxes!
Yeah I dont play these games anymore. Catch me on the Space Station 14, where we pretend to work for an evil corporation while having none (except Valve) involved.
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When I tried BO6s MP for a while after launch (main zombies usually but the MP historically was worth some time investment) and while it absolutely felt the worst in terms of EOMM on a personal level I noticed the game was almost always close for whatever that game mode counted, so I started paying attention
Very VERY quickly noticed what was happening: EOMM pulling it's bullshit so people on whatever team was getting stomped would dip (no notif people leave and who looks at the scoreboard that regularly unless you notice something like I did) and then after maybe 25% of the match of one side being seriously down suddenly they'd get filled with a team either way over-skilled or blatantly cheating, managing to pull the score back in time to make it look "close' even though it was a stomp one direction for 25-50% of the match followed by a stomp the other fucking direction
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Sacrifice every quality in your game for Engaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagement. What could go wrong. People will be so addicted to Green they will put up with any amount of Red. Maybe sell some Crossover Skins to make even more money on top of a Battle Pass, with Lootboxes!
Yes. I caught on to this waaaaaaaayyyy back when League just starting getting traction, esports weren't really a thing, and I also played some Yu Gi Oh.
Both has the same sort of design, as ilæustrated nicely by this meme; the match is nearly always decided early, and for the rest of the game you're either just styling on the opponents, or you are getting styles on.
Victories didn't feel good, losses felt even worse, and I began to understand why people rage and break their keyboard. Games like these fuel such behaviour.
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I hear people say this but I’ve yet to see it, usually just toxic people calling the losing team bots
There are steam forum posts about this.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2767030/discussions/0/591757960657544586/ this is a great example. Not sure if it's still the same tho
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The spread of "skill-based" matchmaking and ranked competitive ladders largely took away a valuable communal aspect of online multiplayer games, IMO. Getting dropped into a match with a bunch of random people you'll probably never see again just makes things so impersonal, which can cultivate a lot of toxicity.
Some of the best times I've ever had with online gaming were from finding a dedicated server with settings I liked, hanging out there often, and gradually getting to know the regulars and becoming part of a community. I've never had that kind of feeling from a game with automated matchmaking.
I play OpenRA.
Late in the evening, I sometimes get a training session with a "pro".
We know who they are. No ranking, no skins, just the registered name. It's enough to inflict terror...
Good stuff.
