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Just a matter of time and this isn't just a cartoon anymore

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    But Putin reclaimed some Soviet Symbolism.(Anthem, Red Star and even Stalin)

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    That's true, but the reason is not claiming the ideology, but claiming the authority over the territories of the former soviet republic for his imperialism and his idea of great Russia.

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      They both are authoritarian rulers shitting on people

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      How is the shitting on ukraines people?

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        How is the shitting on ukraines people?

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        Drafting people by force and not allowing males from leaving the country to me enters the definition of being an authoritarian ruler treating people like shit.

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          Drafting people by force and not allowing males from leaving the country to me enters the definition of being an authoritarian ruler treating people like shit.

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          The alternative is that everyone gets their own Bucha treatment. Easy choice, no?

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            The alternative is that everyone gets their own Bucha treatment. Easy choice, no?

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            The alternative is that you don't copy russia and allow these who don't want to fight to do as they wish.

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              If Zelensky was really a dictator, Trump would be praising him.

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                Ah yes, comrade Trump, general secretary of the Soviet Union.

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                  The alternative is that you don't copy russia and allow these who don't want to fight to do as they wish.

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                  That is actually what Russia is doing....? They just offer a lot of money to poor people.

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                    The contemporary mainstream right would be considered far right a few years ago. This kind of "all extremes are bad" and "the truth is in the middle" view has been taken advantage of by the right, as they have kept pushing the "middle" so far right that social democrats and all kinds of leftism is considered extreme, even beyond the USA where it probably used to be the case even longer.

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                    The truth is somewhere in between, not necessarily the "middle".

                    For example (not a real life scenario): Ukraine claims they killed 10 russians soldiers, Russia counter claims they killed 10 Ukranian soldiers.

                    Later investigations shows that the truth was that Ukraine killed 9 russian soldiers and russia killed 0 Ukrainian soldiers, Ukraine simply miscounted by one, while russia lied about the while thing. The truth was still "in between" but it wasn't in the middle.

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                      You can tell he's a dictator because he doesn't wear a suit.

                      People who wear suits are always virtuous and pure.

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                        Ah yes, comrade Trump, general secretary of the Soviet Union.

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                        Most American American who ever did American things in America Americanly

                        Holy shit this guy is such a scary foreigner.

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                          Yeah, but Putin is not a communist. He's a russian right wing authoritarian dictator. The current russian flag would do better in that place.

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                          Americans only understand Russia as an American Opposite. The 90s might as well not have happened. Perestroika never happened. The Warsaw Pact was never dissolved. Gorbachev was never couped.

                          The USSR is still real and still the opposite of Capitalism. Putin is an America hating super villain, not an ally of convenience depending on who is in charge. And we're still the Freest, Bestest, Shining City on a Hill that exists to oppose it.

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                            Drafting people by force and not allowing males from leaving the country to me enters the definition of being an authoritarian ruler treating people like shit.

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                            Wartime conscription is hardly the same as full authoritarianism, and taking measures to protect the state that gave him the mandate is far from treating its people like shit.

                            There is a grim necessity for authoritarian measures to war. A commander will need to be able to make war decisions without having to wait for some assembly to approve them. A commander will need people to contribute to the war effort. There's a reason authoritarian factions like military coups and staging wars: It's far easier to justify such measures while you're actively at war.

                            But that implication doesn't work the other way. Zelenskyy didn't start this war. He isn't persecuting an offensive war for his own ends. He is doing what he must to protect the territory, population and independence of his country. That involves forcing people to participate in the war for the good of all others.

                            Is it pretty? No. But neither is running out of troops and having your country taken over by someone who is demonstrably authoritarian even outside of matters of war. I wouldn't want to be conscripted either, but I accept the necessity.

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                              The truth is somewhere in between, not necessarily the "middle".

                              For example (not a real life scenario): Ukraine claims they killed 10 russians soldiers, Russia counter claims they killed 10 Ukranian soldiers.

                              Later investigations shows that the truth was that Ukraine killed 9 russian soldiers and russia killed 0 Ukrainian soldiers, Ukraine simply miscounted by one, while russia lied about the while thing. The truth was still "in between" but it wasn't in the middle.

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                              If you're saying all sides lie, of course the do, but that's not what the previous comments were about.

                              For my part, it was about a seemingly pathological need to contrast every real life actual harm coming from the right, with an imaginary potential thing from the left.

                              Both sides have been and can potentially be very bad. But one side is clearly worse than the other, and pretending otherwise with every opportunity is imo really harmful.

                              The logic of "yes but the other side did X" is flawed, and we actually try stop this behavior in little children, but we can't seem to accept it even as adults

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