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I'm Tired of Pretending Tech is Making the World Better

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  • L [email protected]

    "In some parts of the city, you can't even park your car anymore without downloading an app."

    Omg, this. I left my phone at home by accident and quickly found out that I could not pay a meter on the area I went to .... You had to download an app to pay or use you phone to register a phone number and manually enter a plate and credit card.

    No phone.....meant no parking.

    Good luck too if your phone happens to run out of battery.

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    Yet more benefits to cycling then. Just lock it to any reasonably sturdy object.

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      Scenario1:

      "Um, hi. Can I just order here inside? Thanks. I'm really hating the apps now. For sure: one medium cold-brew, please. Yes, thanks, to go. Okay; tap here? Excellent. Oh. Put 'guppy' on the cup. Thanks! [pause] Oh, perfect. Hey, thanks again for letting me skip the app. Those are so frustrating! I'm really starting to avoid any place that uses them, and I'm so grateful I can still come in. Have a great day!"

      Scenario2:

      "Um, hi. Can I just order here? No? Just the app? That's too bad: I'm really getting frustrated with the app and I'm starting to avoid places that need them. Nope, that's all I needed, sorry. Thanks anyway, and have a great day!"

      I like this idea because

      1. you're affirming the target behaviour
      2. you're getting a coffee and going
      3. you're being chipper so they don't feed off your grumpy face
      4. you're providing feedback without being too much 'that guy', I hope, to the serving staff.

      In all things, you don't wanna be That Guy, because you know servers don't need that shit. But, while the odds are slim of feedback getting up the chain of command, you're being clear (and probably more concise) as to how to get more of your business in case the feedback DOES go up.

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      I just take my brick phone out and say that I can't use their app on this. Although once went to the pub after work and it meant I didn't need to pay for any of my drinks which was nice.

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        The overwhelming majority of software ever written is fucking terrible and causes more problems than it solves.

        Since software is easily copiable and mutable, that small sliver of good software gets replicated all over the place and serves as a foundation for other software, both good -- and at the risk of repeating myself -- and mostly bad.

        People would be better off considering new tech as the tool it is rather than seeing every piece of software as inherently better than the thing it replaces.

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        • leadore@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

          As someone who grew up before the negative effects of computer/internet technology, and was excited and impatient for it to develop, I agree with the points made in the article. It didn't have to be this way- in a different kind of society it could have been a boon to everyone. But in our society all the benefits of good things are appropriated by the powerful so they can more readily exploit the less powerful for profit.

          So many wonderful possible benefits that might have come from these technological advancements, to help people lead better lives, to address many of society's issues (hunger, climate change, disabilities, education, etc) simply never happened, because in our society money must be invested to develop them, so only things that would make more profits for the greedy were able to be developed. Yes, some things did get funded by governments or foundations, but they're only a drop in the bucket to what could be done.

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          Thanks Adam Smith...

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          • leadore@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

            As someone who grew up before the negative effects of computer/internet technology, and was excited and impatient for it to develop, I agree with the points made in the article. It didn't have to be this way- in a different kind of society it could have been a boon to everyone. But in our society all the benefits of good things are appropriated by the powerful so they can more readily exploit the less powerful for profit.

            So many wonderful possible benefits that might have come from these technological advancements, to help people lead better lives, to address many of society's issues (hunger, climate change, disabilities, education, etc) simply never happened, because in our society money must be invested to develop them, so only things that would make more profits for the greedy were able to be developed. Yes, some things did get funded by governments or foundations, but they're only a drop in the bucket to what could be done.

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            It didn’t have to be this way; in a different kind of society it could have been a boon to everyone.

            Please hold onto this viewpoint even under serious argument from those opposing it. Technology isn't inevitably shit. There are other types of software we can write, and other types of technology we can develop that isn't the result of some sweaty CTO hovering over our shoulders demanding that we make the software shittier for the sake of the shareholders.

            We have to imagine better choices. We have to imagine that we can change the course of things.

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            • evkob@lemmy.caE [email protected]

              I work in a coffee shop; I already feel sufficiently dehumanized by the amount of people who answer my "how are you today?" with "cappuccino to-go". I would hate to work in a café where you order via your phone.

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              Honestly? Cool that you are asking, but I just want a coffee, not a conversation.

              Yes, I'm German, how could you tell?

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                It didn’t have to be this way; in a different kind of society it could have been a boon to everyone.

                Please hold onto this viewpoint even under serious argument from those opposing it. Technology isn't inevitably shit. There are other types of software we can write, and other types of technology we can develop that isn't the result of some sweaty CTO hovering over our shoulders demanding that we make the software shittier for the sake of the shareholders.

                We have to imagine better choices. We have to imagine that we can change the course of things.

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                Well said.

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                  I like playing video games...

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                    It didn’t have to be this way; in a different kind of society it could have been a boon to everyone.

                    Please hold onto this viewpoint even under serious argument from those opposing it. Technology isn't inevitably shit. There are other types of software we can write, and other types of technology we can develop that isn't the result of some sweaty CTO hovering over our shoulders demanding that we make the software shittier for the sake of the shareholders.

                    We have to imagine better choices. We have to imagine that we can change the course of things.

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                    Literally just one billionaire could end world hunger. It's such an easy way to go to history forever as a good guy. But they all become corrupt in the soul as soon as they have more than they can use. It's a systematic problem and the problem is the demonic capitalist entities known as the megacorps

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                    • C [email protected]

                      Tech speeds things up. If you want to do good, it'll help you do it faster. If you want to do evil, it'll help you do it faster.

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                      Which changes rules, but not the resulting balance or lack thereof.

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                        Tech =/= megacorps

                        That's like saying food doesn't make the world better where you mean food industry megacorps producing hunger & poverty.

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                          Tech definitely is. Gate-keeping, stupid pricing, etc. done by few corporations and individual isn't.

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                            Worst thing to happen to tech is ads.

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                              Worst thing to happen to tech is ads.

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                              People weren't willing to pay with money. Usually every tech product with ads has an "insert coin to remove" option. If you don't insert coin, advertisers will.

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                                also you can walk into basically any bank and ask for a roll of quaters

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                                And if you wear a mask it even free!

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                                  I dont know... This Linux thing is pretty great, IMO.

                                  I get their point, but it feels like it's more about tech being abused by large corporations, trying to squeeze another cent out of you.

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                                    The internet peaked in utility around 2004. Most, if not all, developments since then have only made things worse

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                                    I was thinking about this the other day, while loading music onto my modded iPod. If I could go back in time and stick a pin in tech growth, it would be 2006, before the iPhone came along. Don't get me wrong, I think the explosion in smartphones that came after the first iPhone is broadly good and has the ability to be democratising. But that's not really what shook out.

                                    The world in 2006 had digital cameras and small, portable music players. We had SMS for easily staying in touch with each other, and we did have smartphones - just not as smart as they are now. From a communication perspective, we mostly had what we needed. Hell, by 2006 3G connections were pretty universal, so we could do video calling if we had a phone that supported it. Having a bunch of devices that all did specific things meant that we spread our reliance around a number of companies. Now, with our camera, MP3 player, computer, and communication device all being controlled by one company, if that company turns to shit we have to jump to a less shitty firm, but we have to abandon all of the conveniences to which we've grown accustomed.

                                    As someone who recently jumped from 15 years of iOS to GrapheneOS, this last one is particularly painful.

                                    And sure, everything has gotten a lot faster since then, but there's a part of me that kind of enjoys the inconvenience of slower, finicky hardware that sometimes needs a nudge in the right direction.

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                                      I am once again linking the sick sad history of computer-aided collaboration:

                                      https://www.quora.com/Who-invented-the-modern-computer-look-and-feel/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen

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                                        I'm tired of the people who are the ones that have taken tech to the direction it has gone in for a long while now. Making up problems that weren't ever there before that suddenly now need a stupid app or a feature to fix but adds in its own problems.

                                        I'm tired of big tech deciding when we should upgrade because they deliberately create things that break, degrade and becomes obsolete far shorter than whatever should have.

                                        I'm tired of unnecessary things like added fees for 'convenience'. I'm tired of things like fucking google flipping back accounts on me when I need to see a number to another account.

                                        So much shit is that I'm tired about with tech. Tech is supposed to be exciting, easier, friendlier. Now it's just manipulated into a problem of its own, simply because of those who are behind it.

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                                        I'm tired of big tech deciding when we should upgrade because they deliberately create things that break, degrade and becomes obsolete far shorter than whatever should have.

                                        I think about Apple quite a lot in this regard. Not because of planned obsolescence or anything so nefarious, but because they genuinely make some of the best consumer hardware you can buy, and because it's so good it costs a decent wedge. Then, five years later, when that good hardware is still as good as the day you bought it, they quietly drop OS support for it because they need you to buy another one.

                                        And most people will smile and thank them for the trade-in discount they'll get to help them spend more money, while that older, still perfectly usable hardware is shipped off to a massive shredder to take it off the used market.

                                        I use Macs, I understand this process very well. But I've also done my fair share of putting OCLP on older hardware in order to wring a few more years out of it, and of putting Linux on even older Macs because they still work perfectly well. I mean, I have a 2011 MacBook Pro that's running Linux Mint so well that you wouldn't have any idea that it's a 14 year old laptop.

                                        The second best thing Apple are good at is convincing their customers that the equipment they own is old and knackered. And that's kinda sad.

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                                          People weren't willing to pay with money. Usually every tech product with ads has an "insert coin to remove" option. If you don't insert coin, advertisers will.

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                                          Paying for the product and paying to not be inconvenienced by ads have become separate things. The first is standard business, the second is extortion.

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