Nintendo has sent a DMCA notice to Ryujinx forks
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yep. why? do you understand the only reason people get an emulator is to pirate roms?
If that’s the limit of your knowledge, I can’t help you. Read more on the subject maybe.
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Emulation isn't piracy and you're allowed to back up physical games you own. That's legally your right.
Technically, you're allowed to make copies for personal use unless doing so requires bypassing DRM, encryption, or some other lockout mechanism.
Emulation is still not piracy and neither is making a personal backup, but if making that backup requires anything more than a standard disc drive or a cart reader then it is a DMCA violation.
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GitHub link to Nintendo's claim - all the details you need are here
The emulator forks which are being taken down are as follows:
Despite this, the one fork that continues, and will continue without takedown is Ryubing - by Greemdev. This is created by an original member of the Ryujinx team. It's safe, the code is beyond reproach (and violates zero laws or Nintendo code) and actually brings helpful updates.
Still...shitty news. And more indication that the Switch 2's architecture will be damn similar to that of this current Switch. Them taking emulators down means the upcoming games have a solid chance of being emulatable on release. But...that's my own (and others') conjecture, so we'll see when the time comes.
Nintendo playing whac-a-mole with these forks
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Why are they hosting their code on Github? Switch to Codeberg or maybe self host. And yes I know Github has the most users but they're dealing with something radioactive.
Codeberg can suffer from the same DMCA requests but at least is not managed by Microsoft.
To really avoid(or ignore) DMCAs you need to self-host/use a vps for your own version control tool like Forgejo/GitLab or use a decentralized one like Radicle. -
GitHub link to Nintendo's claim - all the details you need are here
The emulator forks which are being taken down are as follows:
Despite this, the one fork that continues, and will continue without takedown is Ryubing - by Greemdev. This is created by an original member of the Ryujinx team. It's safe, the code is beyond reproach (and violates zero laws or Nintendo code) and actually brings helpful updates.
Still...shitty news. And more indication that the Switch 2's architecture will be damn similar to that of this current Switch. Them taking emulators down means the upcoming games have a solid chance of being emulatable on release. But...that's my own (and others') conjecture, so we'll see when the time comes.
What gives them the right to take down emulators? It's just code someone wrote that happens to be able to interpret bytes from a switch cartridge?
Why wouldn't they take down a company like analogue for example for making a hardware level gameboy emulator?
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Show me how this happening to Nintendo.
Didn't tears of the kingdom got pirated in like 1 week within release? That must have affected sales in some degree
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Bruh what?
I chose the highest-profile and arguably best emulators for each major system, let alone that almost every other modern one uses GitHub too. If all of these emulators are flying under the corporate radar, I will deliberately inject myself with rabies and die a slow, agonizing death. I couldn't come up with this shit if I got cross-faded on meth and fentanyl.Sorry I accidently insulted your mother or something
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Didn't tears of the kingdom got pirated in like 1 week within release? That must have affected sales in some degree
Lots of theoreticals and assumptions. Not seeing any evidence here.
I also find it laughable that you want to compare Nintendo to some scrappy artist. Piracy does not impact everyone the same way.
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Probably just a case of the corporate lawyers haven't noticed those ones yet.
Nah… I suspect that Sony simply doesn’t want to anger hackers again. The cost of downtime is likely to be higher than the imaginary profits they get from harassing emulator communities. I doubt they think their reputation is worth much but maybe they have started to see some value on it.
Japanese gaming companies often don't seem to understand the value of the reputation / honor which is really weird considering that it's one of the things japanese culture is supposed to value.
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Lots of theoreticals and assumptions. Not seeing any evidence here.
I also find it laughable that you want to compare Nintendo to some scrappy artist. Piracy does not impact everyone the same way.
Emulation = online piracy
Did I say that? I did not. I said the game was pirated in 1 week which it definitely happened unless everyone who emulated it was using it legally.
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Emulation = online piracy
Did I say that? I did not. I said the game was pirated in 1 week which it definitely happened unless everyone who emulated it was using it legally.
I have no issue with emulating games. But I also have no issue of a company trying to stop their games from being emulated.
This was literally your starting argument.
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I have no issue with emulating games. But I also have no issue of a company trying to stop their games from being emulated.
This was literally your starting argument.
I'm not that person you're referring to tho
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What gives them the right to take down emulators? It's just code someone wrote that happens to be able to interpret bytes from a switch cartridge?
Why wouldn't they take down a company like analogue for example for making a hardware level gameboy emulator?
The patents on the Game Boy hardware expired years ago, so that's what gives Analogue the right to do what they do. As for these Switch emulators, I have no idea, but I'll guess it's just Nintendo trying to scare people without their own legal departments into complying.
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Show me how this happening to Nintendo.
The reality is that Nintendo removed your ability to buy those old games for $10, because they'd rather rent you those games forever on their subscription service. If they were on Steam for $10, I'd have bought those old ROMs.
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I'm not that person you're referring to tho
Ok? My mistake aside, this entire conversation was about how someone thought companies are right to stop people from emulating.
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Just a reminder don't have emulators on GitHub.
I don't like GitHub, but this is simply untrue. We host the PCSX2 project on GitHub, and GitHub even donated some amount at one point to the project. The following major, top-of-class video game console emulators (non-exhaustive) are officially hosted on GitHub:
PlayStation:
- DuckStation (PSX/PSOne)
- PCSX2 (PS2)
- RPCS3 (PS3)
- shadPS4 (PS4)
- PPSSPP (PSP)
- Vita3K (PS Vita)
Xbox:
- xemu (Xbox)
- Xenia (Xbox 360)
Nintendo:
- Mesen (NES etc.)
- bsnes-hd (SNES)
- Mupen64Plus-Next (N64)
- Dolphin (GC/Wii)
- Cemu (Wii U)
- SameBoy (GB/GBC)
- mGBA (GBA)
- melonDS (NDS)
Sega:
- Genesis Plus GX (libretro core for multiple)
- Flycast (Dreamcast)
Atari:
- Stella (Atari 2600)
- Atari800 (Atari 8-bit/Atari 5200)
- A7800 (Atari 7800)
Misc:
- BizHawk
- MAME
- ares
- higan
duckstation works damn fine on my pixel. favorite psx emulator
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What gives them the right to take down emulators? It's just code someone wrote that happens to be able to interpret bytes from a switch cartridge?
Why wouldn't they take down a company like analogue for example for making a hardware level gameboy emulator?
IIRC, part of the argument is that Switch games are encrypted, and the emulator uses real Switch keys to read the games. So Nintendo claims that by using official Nintendo Switch keys, it is violating Nintendo’s copyright and is subject to DMCA claims.
The argument is shaky at best. But the problem with DMCA is that combating it actually requires taking the claimant to court. So that’s a prohibitively long and difficult process, just to be able to go “hey Nintendo doesn’t actually have any claim here. Restore my repo.” Especially when Nintendo has a known history of drawing out long legal battles to exhaust defendants’ time+resources.
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IIRC, part of the argument is that Switch games are encrypted, and the emulator uses real Switch keys to read the games. So Nintendo claims that by using official Nintendo Switch keys, it is violating Nintendo’s copyright and is subject to DMCA claims.
The argument is shaky at best. But the problem with DMCA is that combating it actually requires taking the claimant to court. So that’s a prohibitively long and difficult process, just to be able to go “hey Nintendo doesn’t actually have any claim here. Restore my repo.” Especially when Nintendo has a known history of drawing out long legal battles to exhaust defendants’ time+resources.
From my understanding the repos wouldn't include the keys (or if they did then they definitely shouldn't). But yeah I understand the long legal battle thing.
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yep. why? do you understand the only reason people get an emulator is to pirate roms?
To play games they own on other systems?
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lets say you have spend 10 years making a game. and you put it on steam for $10. but wait. you are making $0 dollars because everyone is just pirating it, and then demanding you make a second one.
Nobody is talking about piracy.
