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In Response to Amazon preventing to download books you bought: Some DRM free bookstores and publishers

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    I recently switched to Kobo as a Kindle alternative, but that also highlighted a problem. Kindle Unlimited includes a TOS for publishers that prevents them from selling their books on any other platform. A significant chunk of the Kindle catalogue is also included in Kindle Unlimited, which means a significant chunk of authors works are locked into the Amazon ecosystem.

    It's been very annoying to discover how many book series I've been reading that are simply unavailable elsewhere because they opted to take part in Kindle Unlimited.

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    If the company won't allow the books to be easily accessible, make them easily accessible.

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      Once again, "if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing."

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        Anyone got store recs for non-english books?

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        • oce@jlai.luO [email protected]

          Kobo was bought by Rakuten in 2012, Rakuten is the Japanese Amazon, except it failed to fully scale internationally.

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          While that may be true, so far at least they seem to be doing an OK job. Their ebooks are often sold sans-DRM, and in the cases they aren't every one I've gotten has used Adobe Digital Editions which are easy to strip the DRM from (and is a wildly supported standard unlike Amazon's proprietary DRM scheme). Additionally their e-reader devices, while not open hardware are repairable with disassembly guides provided by them and they even sell replacement components like screens. I have not verified this claim, but they also claim to use recycled plastic for manufacturing them and recycled cardboard for their packaging (should you care about such things).

          For better or worse, if you want a Kindle like experience, you're likely going to be forced into working with a large-ish corporation, but despite the average experience when doing so that doesn't mean that corporation must be an evil anti-consumer hellscape of rapaciousness and greed. So far at least, Rakuten/Kobo seem to be doing OK by their customers.

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          • oce@jlai.luO [email protected]

            Kobo was bought by Rakuten in 2012, Rakuten is the Japanese Amazon, except it failed to fully scale internationally.

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            As long as Kobo supports epub, I think it's fine. They still support my H20 Aura from 2015, I'm not complaining.

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            • O [email protected]

              I recently switched to Kobo as a Kindle alternative, but that also highlighted a problem. Kindle Unlimited includes a TOS for publishers that prevents them from selling their books on any other platform. A significant chunk of the Kindle catalogue is also included in Kindle Unlimited, which means a significant chunk of authors works are locked into the Amazon ecosystem.

              It's been very annoying to discover how many book series I've been reading that are simply unavailable elsewhere because they opted to take part in Kindle Unlimited.

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              Related question: are Kindle Unlimited books digital only? Can you not buy physical copies of it?

              Ngl I still buy physical books, and I use my ereader to check out ebooks from the library and/or sail the high seas, so I have no idea what's going on in the ebook ecosystems.

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                Related question: are Kindle Unlimited books digital only? Can you not buy physical copies of it?

                Ngl I still buy physical books, and I use my ereader to check out ebooks from the library and/or sail the high seas, so I have no idea what's going on in the ebook ecosystems.

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                Sort of? Kindle Unlimited itself is digital only, but the exclusivity clause only applies to ebooks I think, so in theory you could purchase a physical copy elsewhere.

                I've pretty much entirely abandoned physical books. It's just far more convenient using an e-reader which has a backlight for reading in the dark, fits thousands of books in a device that's pocket sized, and let's me instantly purchase, download, and start reading the next book in a series as soon as I finish the last one.

                I do have physical books still, but I haven't bought new ones in about a decade now.

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                • O [email protected]

                  Sort of? Kindle Unlimited itself is digital only, but the exclusivity clause only applies to ebooks I think, so in theory you could purchase a physical copy elsewhere.

                  I've pretty much entirely abandoned physical books. It's just far more convenient using an e-reader which has a backlight for reading in the dark, fits thousands of books in a device that's pocket sized, and let's me instantly purchase, download, and start reading the next book in a series as soon as I finish the last one.

                  I do have physical books still, but I haven't bought new ones in about a decade now.

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                  I see, thanks for the explanation!

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                    Relevant XKCD : https://xkcd.com/488/

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                    • O [email protected]

                      I recently switched to Kobo as a Kindle alternative, but that also highlighted a problem. Kindle Unlimited includes a TOS for publishers that prevents them from selling their books on any other platform. A significant chunk of the Kindle catalogue is also included in Kindle Unlimited, which means a significant chunk of authors works are locked into the Amazon ecosystem.

                      It's been very annoying to discover how many book series I've been reading that are simply unavailable elsewhere because they opted to take part in Kindle Unlimited.

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                      This has been my issue as well.

                      And when you sail the high seas to liberate books. You might get the actually book, without issues. You might get a file named your book, that has 17 pages of that book and then the rest is a manual to fix a car.

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                        This has been my issue as well.

                        And when you sail the high seas to liberate books. You might get the actually book, without issues. You might get a file named your book, that has 17 pages of that book and then the rest is a manual to fix a car.

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                        There's an archive of books belonging to a certain anna, which has not failed me yet.

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                          This has been my issue as well.

                          And when you sail the high seas to liberate books. You might get the actually book, without issues. You might get a file named your book, that has 17 pages of that book and then the rest is a manual to fix a car.

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                          Plus I actually want to support the authors. My issue is with Amazon not the authors, so I want to pay for the books I'm reading so they can keep making more of them. If I could buy the books directly from the authors in some cases I would, and in all cases if it was available from the Kobo store I'd be willing to buy it there. Unfortunately that damn exclusivity clause on Kindle Unlimited means my options for them are Amazon, Amazon, or Amazon (or roll the dice on piracy and not support the author, not to mention even when it is the book in question the quality is often poor).

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                            I'm so in love with Anna.

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                              There's an archive of books belonging to a certain anna, which has not failed me yet.

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                              Me too brother. For some reason There's a lot of american classics that don't have a good scan on archive (totally forgot about project gutenberg) but Anna has served so well

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                                You certainly don't want to use shodan to search server: "calibre"

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                                  You certainly don't want to use shodan to search server: "calibre"

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                                  And you definitely don't want to find an open ebook library to get kindle-only books.

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                                    I'm so in love with Anna.

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                                    Might be south indian Anna(brother)

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                                      Is there any way to liberate existing ebooks now that Amazon has pulled the plug on downloading? An unfortunate friend of mine has “bought" Books from Amazon for thousands of euros and he just now finds out that he doesn't seem to own them. I'd help him free his books if there is a possibility.

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                                        Is there any way to liberate existing ebooks now that Amazon has pulled the plug on downloading? An unfortunate friend of mine has “bought" Books from Amazon for thousands of euros and he just now finds out that he doesn't seem to own them. I'd help him free his books if there is a possibility.

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                                        Enter "[book name] [desired file format such as PDF or epub]" into search engine of choice

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                                        • O [email protected]

                                          Not going to tear down my de-drm setup any time soon. But optimistic I might be able to before amazon does it for me.

                                          As far as I'm aware it's now too late for that. Amazon has removed the ability to download ebooks to your computer meaning the only way to access azw files now is if you've found a way to rip them out of the Kindle memory (not possible using normal means, but maybe if you've cracked one open and probed the flash memory directly).

                                          I used to de-drm all my kindle purchases using the manual download links Amazon had, but those have now been removed. That's actually what prompted me to switch to Kobo. I'm not going to "purchase" a book I can't create a backup of.

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                                          If you own a kindle reader you can just connect it via usb and dedrm the kfx files.

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