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  3. He said a lot of other good stuff too IMO.

He said a lot of other good stuff too IMO.

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    He said a lot of other good stuff too IMO.

    Finally someone taking the russian and slso the american threat seriously.

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    UK has typically bowed to US.

    France may our only Security Council Veto hope.

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      UK has typically bowed to US.

      France may our only Security Council Veto hope.

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      Bowed? I think its more of a strategy, to try to win the Americans back, act as a bridge. IMO it is too late. But even if it is only a 1% chance, its worth it. Meanwhile UK is investing in defense, standing by allies and being unwavering in its support for Ukraine.

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        UK isn't in the EU anyway

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          UK isn't in the EU anyway

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          I think the UK has to have US permission to use our nukes so they're useless now

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            I think the UK has to have US permission to use our nukes so they're useless now

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            There is a joined nuclear planning group of NATO where France is not and never was part of (while the UK is) and thus, preserving independence in that matter.

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              I think the UK has to have US permission to use our nukes so they're useless now

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              What in the world makes you think a sovereign nation (UK) has to ask permission from the US to use their military arsenal?! We might have agreements in place, but no way in hell does the US control the UK's nuclear launch capability.

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                What in the world makes you think a sovereign nation (UK) has to ask permission from the US to use their military arsenal?! We might have agreements in place, but no way in hell does the US control the UK's nuclear launch capability.

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                It's not as straight forward as asking permission, but you should read about Trident as a missle platform.

                To say the UK has a genuinely independent nuclear deterent is not as clear cut as you'd think. But that's not the same as being absolutely beholden to the US.

                That all said, we really do need to swap to the french missle system, but that will take time to retro fit the subs.

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                  It's not as straight forward as asking permission, but you should read about Trident as a missle platform.

                  To say the UK has a genuinely independent nuclear deterent is not as clear cut as you'd think. But that's not the same as being absolutely beholden to the US.

                  That all said, we really do need to swap to the french missle system, but that will take time to retro fit the subs.

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                  The UK outsourced maintenance of the delivery mechanism (the missile body) to the US.

                  The warhead is built & maintained by the UK.

                  The missiles have a life span so eventually they will stop working without US help.

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                    The UK outsourced maintenance of the delivery mechanism (the missile body) to the US.

                    The warhead is built & maintained by the UK.

                    The missiles have a life span so eventually they will stop working without US help.

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                    Sure, the crux is how long is eventually. We may need that sooner than we previously thought.

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                      UK isn't in the EU anyway

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                      FYI the EU is not about military, only about economics.

                      The UK has made the recent JEF with sweden and others for example, so no problem joining up militarily.

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                        Sure, the crux is how long is eventually. We may need that sooner than we previously thought.

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                        5-7 years iirc according to the article I read. After that failure rates start going up, not sure how long the curve from 0-100% is though.

                        Bottom line the UK (and the rest of the EU) need to start getting missile factories stood up. Not just for trident but for all the other arms we get off the US.

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                          FYI the EU is not about military, only about economics.

                          The UK has made the recent JEF with sweden and others for example, so no problem joining up militarily.

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                          The EU is both. There are EU joint battlegroups and a stronger mutual defense clause in the treaties than NATO.

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                            What in the world makes you think a sovereign nation (UK) has to ask permission from the US to use their military arsenal?! We might have agreements in place, but no way in hell does the US control the UK's nuclear launch capability.

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                            I'm not expert, just remembered reading something to that effect. The other commenter seems to know more.

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                              What in the world makes you think a sovereign nation (UK) has to ask permission from the US to use their military arsenal?! We might have agreements in place, but no way in hell does the US control the UK's nuclear launch capability.

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                              They did have to ask the USA for permission about giving permission to Ukraine using their Storm Shadows, because the guidance system is from the USA IIRC.

                              So not a totally crazy thought IMO.

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