The Fediverse Isn’t the Future. It’s the Present We’ve Been Denied.
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The only additional step you have on lemmy is choosing an instance and honestly it does not even matter that much which you choose. I'm not saying it's trivial but it is nothing that is inherently more difficult.
Reddit was really strange compared to everything else a few years ago. It only appears easy now because we are familiar with the concept of subreddits now.
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Honestly lemmy specifically is good enough to scratch my Reddit itch. We may not be able to post our way out of fascism, but we can certainly post our way out of the centralized, enshittified platforms like Reddit where we came from.
I think it's more difficult in applications where you want or have to bring a lot of friends to make the apps useful, but in the case of lemmy specifically if there's a baseline level of activity that's enough to fulfill 90% of what i used Reddit for (i.e. snarky memes and random back and forths with relative strangers).
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I hate the idea that everything should be monetised, that only gives us loong videos with laughing heads and so on "to keep you engaged".
We're here without all that crap and well the fediverse is definitely less active but it's content made by people because they like it, they believe in it. Not to shake the money tree.
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We wanna grow too and hopefully be a place with more authentic conversations (better anti-bot defenses) - hyperbolic to say “future’s at stake”?
I think truly delightfully UX would be very yuge. I should learn and contribute
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I think we should be realistic. Content costs money because it requires a lot of effort. It's naïve to think that content would just be created because people feel like posting something. If the Fediverse is to compete with companies like meta, this is only possible if there are opportunities for content creators to earn money. That should be self-evident, but it obviously isn't here.
I'm not saying it's necessary, but it is if the Fediverse is to have mainstream appeal.
Simply because the absolute majority of people are out and about where everyone is. And that's where the content ist. And that's the point: if you want good content, it costs money. It's not just corporations that make a living from it.
What I want to say is this: The Fediverse could provide fairer conditions for the people who produce content. That makes sense and is necessary because the Internet lives from that.
I just don't understand why people here don't want to realize that work has to be paid for. That's really strange.
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It’s an interesting take though because a lot of good content requires funding too, as well as hosting etc.
So how can we solve that in a reasonable way that doesn’t lead to all the bullshit?
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My take is that hosting is no longer expensive, I have a 30€/month fiber link with 700Mb/s up and could theoretically host my videos for hundreds or even thousands of interested people. At 40€ I can have a 10Gb/s up if needed. That's a lot of videos served daily.
Now, I also think that the monymaker needing to serve millions of people can go and do that elsewhere.
So what's missing is a sort of search engine so that when I want to check out fly fishing or knitting I can check out the exquisite videos from the respective community.
Something along those lines.
If people are interested I'll host their videos, and it shouldn't be that hard to make them searchable, but for sure, I can't do it all by myself. What do you think?
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Things need to be paid for, but why does that mechanism need to be baked into the platform?
Imagine I'm the best, most engaging poster and commenter on Lemmy. Everyone loves my posts and comments, shares them, quotes them, and responds to them endlessly. (Maybe in this scenario everyone has brain damage for some reason, and this allowed me to become the top Lemmy user.)
If I'm in that position, what's stopping me from just putting a little blurb at the bottom of each comment saying, "this post is brought to you by Carls Jr." or whoever wants to sponsor my comments. If people for some reason loved my posts and comments enough, I could find sponsors and just put those sponsorships right in whatever comment or post I make. Lemmy doesn't need to be involved. They don't need to go out of their way to recommend my posts either. If they're good enough, then they can be spread naturally by people sharing and engaging with them.
It makes sense for platforms to provider revenue to creators, but only if the platform has substantial ad revenue. YouTube pays its creators, but it also brings in billions of ad revenue. I don't think most Lemmy servers even have ads.
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You and I know this but people at first glance generally do not. Then you try to explain to them how Federation works and their eyes gloss over
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Because the advertising business is highly centralized. Getting sponsorships is not as easy as you think.
An example: YouTube pays content producers per click, so to speak, a ridiculously small amount, but in total, with billions of clicks, a crazy amount. The money to finance this comes largely from advertising revenue (also Google's main business model). They are the Gatekeepers so to speak.
But the content producers can't live off this because Google keeps most of it for itself. They do give people the opportunity to find sponsors themselves tho - and that's how people actually make the most money. But you have to find them for yourself or through intermediaries (that's an industry in itself). This is only realistic if you have sufficient reach (subscribers in the example). And that, in turn, is only possible if you have already invested hundreds of hours in the production of content (you can't make a living if you don't get paid for that).
So I think it would be best if the platforms themselves were powerful enough in terms of reach to be able to negotiate well with advertisers. But not as powerful as Google, for example, who can afford to pay content producers a pittance because - unlike small platforms - they are not dependent on them.
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No you cant, karma requirements bud, try making a new account and posting/commenting anywhere?
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To be fair it is easy, if it allowed you to comment and didnt delete them lol
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Yep, dont really use mastodon or even bluesky, my twitter groupchat is still my hs friends and I like it when they arent talking about sports. I do post there more than I do on X, I miss twitter I used to tweet so much, before the changes. (Stopped seing friends likes on my feed, I followed funny ppl and without that it was over)
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Not one mention to moderation. The strength and focus of our "small isles" is on taking control of moderating the contents. We can stop fascists posts, and we can share alternative narratives (e.g. solarpunk) to Sillicon Valley. Plus, spoiler alerts as content warnings, etc. I think mastodon with their covenant is the greatest example of this ethos.
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I’m down to have a serious conversation but please don’t be patronizing with that “bud” crap
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on taking control of moderating the contents. We can stop fascists posts
.ml tankies and right-wingers: "Wouldn't that be....CeNsOrsHiP"
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What I'm trying to say is that every social network has it's quirks that you just need to learn. The willingness to learn also depends on how attractive the platform is. With time i see no reason for lemmy to not grow like reddit did.
If you just google "Lemmy" one of the first results is https://join-lemmy.org/ where you are directed to an instance that suits you. Far from perfect but Lemmy is still young.
People probably don't even really need to understand federation. They just need sane defaults to get started and work from there.
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Now, I also think that the monymaker needing to serve millions of people can go and do that elsewhere.
That's the issue. If we're gonna get evil tech bros out of our human interactions, we need to build a platform that doesn't reject people who like to eat.
Journalists need to get access to sources, and want to see when events are happening.
Documentary creators want a way to create interesting and useful videos that will earn them a living.
Streamers want a platform that can serve a bunch of users with near-realtime (okay, just fast) interactions.
That's what OP's link is missing: being able to use a platform to do your preferred job is one of the things that makes a platform compelling. Until we have that, we're rejecting a big part of our audience.
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The unix surrealism Lemmite is awesome. They deserve my donations. Saying that people shouldn't be able to use the platform to express themselves rejects a whole bunch of people.
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I know you jest but I will note that freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence, if you say something abhorrent enough and I decide that you in fact are a threat that deserves to be gutted then I am in my right to take said action and face said consequences myself.
