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The Fediverse Isn’t the Future. It’s the Present We’ve Been Denied.

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  • B [email protected]

    That’s more a feature for a client app.

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    I’m not in a rush to endorse client apps adding large, experience changing features. That will radically alter the way different users interact with the service, they might need two apps to get all the features they want, etc

    Sounds like a good way to make things even MORE confusing for new users.

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    • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

      I was reading some articles the other day, and the impression I have is that that's really not true for at least Trump.

      The Trump route was more:

      • Conservatives in the US felt that media had a liberal bias. Whether it did or didn't doesn't matter for this discussion --- that was the perception.

      • Fox News offers a viewpoint appealing to conservatives. It becomes essentially the only mainstream conservative media outlet. Liberal viewers watch a variety of news media, but Fox News dominates among conservatives.

      • Fox News --- already somewhat opinion-based from the start --- starts to veer off into conspiracy land. Because so many conservatives watch Fox News, this has a major impact.

      There's some back and forth here. It's not that Fox just pushed ideas that were out there, but that they're willing to show material based on what people will watch, and people watched it more if they ran bonkers stuff.

      https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/08/media/fox-news-hoax-paperback-book/index.html

      ::: spoiler Section

      When Donald Trump lost the presidency last November, Fox News lost too. But unlike Trump, Fox was never in denial about its loss. The network’s executives and multi-million-dollar stars stared the ratings in the face every day and saw that their pro-Trump audience was reacting to the prospect of President Biden by switching channels or turning off the TV.

      “We’re bleeding eyeballs,” a Fox producer remarked in December. “And we’re scared.”

      To fix the problem, Fox ran even further to the right. And here’s the thing: It worked. It was toxic for the American political system, but it was profitable for Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch.

      “Fox is a really different place than it was pre-election,” a commentator said to me, with regret, after Biden took office.

      The post-election changes at Fox happened one day at a time, one show at a time, but when viewed in totality, they are unmistakable and stark. Practically every change was about having less news on the air and more opinions-about-the-news. It was like serving dessert without dinner, when the dessert consisted of screaming about how awful the dinner was, and warning that the meal might be a socialist plot, and hey, while we’re at it, why are chefs so corrupt?

      And because Fox News is the primary trusted source of information for millions of Americans, including Republican elected officials and party activists, the changes affect everyone.

      Trump’s loss was a pivot point.

      ‘We denied the pandemic and now we’re denying the election outcome.’

      Fox’s ratings declined in the immediate aftermath of Mitt Romney’s loss in 2012, so the slump after the networks projected Biden as president-elect was no surprise. But the precipitousness was a shock. Fox’s afternoon and evening hours fell off by 20, 25, 30 percent, even though the news cycle was nothing short of epic. For people at Fox who were used to winning for years, this was disorienting, and for some downright terrifying.

      “Our audience hates this,” one executive said to me in a moment of candor. “This” was Biden as president-elect and Kamala Harris as VP-elect. “They’re pissed,” said a second source. “Seething,” said another.

      I granted anonymity to these sources because they weren’t allowed to speak with outside reporters on the record, and because I wanted them to freely offer blunt assessments of the situation.

      Fox’s problem was that the audience suddenly had somewhere else to go. On the up-and- coming channel Newsmax, Biden wasn’t called president-elect right away. In other words, Trump wasn’t a loser yet. Newsmax’s 7 p.m. host Greg Kelly kept saying that he believed Trump could stay in office for four more years. “IT ISN’T OVER YET,” Newsmax’s banners proclaimed. While Fox only dabbled in election denialism at first, Newsmax went all-in.

      :::

      There wasn't really any major center-right mainstream news source other than Fox News, so if Fox shifts into conspiracy-land, so does the conservative public.

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      The best center-right news sources are behind a paywall. The crazy ones, those are free.

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      • ? Guest

        I think we need simple, non technical content that gets people who haven’t used the fediverse stoked to find out more and try to get involved. That’s what I’m trying to do with articles like this - add momentum and tap into a big potential audience who are primed for this. But I also do want to put together a Getting Started landing page that helps people kick off.

        I really do think we need to get people pumped enough to want to be educated about it all.

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        Any thoughts on

        https://fedi.tips/

        I haven’t really used it since I wanted to populate my Mastodon timeline. Now it’s happening a little bit more naturally, through boosts and hashtags.

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        • 4 [email protected]

          Passkeys are much better. Unlike what FAANG companies want you to believe, they do not have to be tied to a device. Use a password manager that supports them (BitWarden) and pretty much never get hacked again because of a password. Website doesn’t need to store anything that an attacker can use. No downside.

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          Any recommended reading for pass keys to get me up to speed? I use Bitwarden and have been happy enough with just passwords via that for a long time now. Only time I've seen pass keys mentioned really was Google trying to push it on me but I don't use their password manager.

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          • jackgreenearth@lemm.eeJ [email protected]

            If you choose the app first, and you choose Voyager, everything else - browsing, creating an account - is intuitive and just works.

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            For the uninitiated it’s basically a 1:1 clone of Apollo for Reddit. Hell, even the app’s name is derivative!

            That said it’s still one of the best Lemmy apps for iOS and is a testament to Christian Selig’s original vision.

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            • ? Guest

              I’m new to Lemmy and it wasn’t as easy to sign up and use as Reddit or other social networks.

              First I had to choose a server. To do that I had learn the consequences of choosing a server. Once I decided .ml had a sign up process where I had to be approved.

              Once I was in and wanted to choose a community, I think it’s called, I found there were multiple communities with the same name. Once again I had to make a choose without knowing the difference.

              It all reminded me of the Paradox of Choice TED talk, https://www.ted.com/talks/barry_schwartz_the_paradox_of_choice .

              Finally I had to choose an app, as there is official one. Now I’m in Mlem, but I don’t know if it’s better or worse than the others.

              Choice is great but for easier on boarding a first stop for server and app would be great. Like browser, you’re given one when you start and if you want better, you can go looking.

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              Finally I had to choose an app, as there is no official one. Now I’m in Mlem, but I don’t know if it’s better or worse than the others.

              I'm just here from Reddit after the Boost app finally stopped working. So now I'm running "Boost for Lemmy", would definitely recommend it. It was one of the best 3rd party Reddit clients.

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              • B [email protected]

                The ml stands for Marxism-Leninism. They are tankies.

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                ml is the Internet country code top-level domain(ccTLD) for Mali.

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                • B [email protected]

                  The ml stands for Marxism-Leninism. They are tankies.

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                  This is completely untrue and I don't know why people keep repeating this.

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                    This is completely untrue and I don't know why people keep repeating this.

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                    Because people with the @lemmy.ml tag are constantly saying the dumbest tankie shit ever.

                    When I see someone say Ukraine in 2014 was a CIA backed coup against the democratically elected pro russian government - it comes from that server, every time

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                    • R [email protected]

                      There is an issue open on Lemmy's github about merging communities of the same name together in the ui by an "all" button, but sadly it's been inactive for a year: #1113

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                      I wonder how moderating would work in a merged community. Would mods not from instance X only be able to hide a post from that instance from the merged community, or would they have power to remove a post from another instance? I’d imagine that is one of the hiccups of a feature like this, it is a shame it has been collecting dust though

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                        The only problem the fediverse has is content.

                        Compare Lemmy to mastodon. Mastodon is 10x the size but Lemmy is 10x more interesting an active. Became people on Lemmy make posts and discuss and joke and fight and its fun and new users can join in easily and add.

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                        • 4 [email protected]

                          Passkeys are much better. Unlike what FAANG companies want you to believe, they do not have to be tied to a device. Use a password manager that supports them (BitWarden) and pretty much never get hacked again because of a password. Website doesn’t need to store anything that an attacker can use. No downside.

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                          I'd much rather use a password and a two-factor auth via TOTP code. It's fast, portable, I can store them on a variety of open source apps, and it's very hard to hack. I don't need to use a specific provider, or browser. Flexible and free.

                          Passkeys in their current implementation are comparatively a mess. Here's an article that runs through many reasons why:

                          https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/12/passkey-technology-is-elegant-but-its-most-definitely-not-usable-security/

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