Europe bets on RISC-V for homegrown supercomputing platform
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Can anyone knowledgeable tell us if this is feasible, practical, or a good idea?
Feasible, yes. Practical, hard to say. Good idea, yes.
RISC-V is open-source architecture based in Switzerland (although it started in University of California).
One thing going for it is China is spending billions a year towards RISC-V adoption so they do not get sanctioned by the US. You need money and engineers working on it towards these type of open source to compete with existing players.
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Can anyone knowledgeable tell us if this is feasible, practical, or a good idea?
Considering that you can buy some Raspberry Pi micro computers (these are ARM architecture computers) for less than €100 that are performance competitive with a lot of existing hardware; this idea would make a ton of sense for Europe to implement. I think Europe could probably start designing and manufacturing chips locally within 2 to 5 years on the low end 5 to 10 years on the high end.
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lol those are dram chips in the stock photo.
(more risc v investment away from the us is a good thing though!)
What's the give away there? Not doubting just wondering.
I see impedance matched traces so seems like something fast, but that's all I'd be able to guess.
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What's the give away there? Not doubting just wondering.
I see impedance matched traces so seems like something fast, but that's all I'd be able to guess.
The connection also looks like a RAM stick's. I think.
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Can anyone knowledgeable tell us if this is feasible, practical, or a good idea?
With tariffs and sanctions, it has become clear that open standards which can’t be controlled by governments are what is needed.
With what’s been happening over the past few years, there will be a lot of interested in this. Recently, I’ve seen lots of news about it, but that could just be the algorithm.
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The great thing about RISC-V if you care about sovereignty in an age where CPUs run the world is that it's an open standard. Contrast this with x86 which is owned in some part by US-based Intel and some part by US-based AMD as well as ARM which is owned by Japanese-owned, UK-based Arm Holdings. If you want to use x86, you're shelling out license money to Intel and AMD, and if you want to use ARM, you're shelling out license money to Arm Holdings. You never truly "own" what you're producing.
This is the way
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Considering that you can buy some Raspberry Pi micro computers (these are ARM architecture computers) for less than €100 that are performance competitive with a lot of existing hardware; this idea would make a ton of sense for Europe to implement. I think Europe could probably start designing and manufacturing chips locally within 2 to 5 years on the low end 5 to 10 years on the high end.
It helps significantly that the EU already has a lot of the necessary expertise at every level.
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I’m unexpectedly excited and hopeful for risc-v
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Anyone else remember when Phil Schiller bored the Macworld expo to death explaining why RISC was better than CISC?
afaik, risc and cisc are pretty much the same anymore. x86, risc v and arm all have bloated instructions sets, and they all decode to risc microcode under the hood anyways.
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There is no reference to it, but most semiconductors-making equipment is manufactured by a Dutch company named ASML. However, I don't know how useful this will be for EU to transition to RISC-V.
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There is no reference to it, but most semiconductors-making equipment is manufactured by a Dutch company named ASML. However, I don't know how useful this will be for EU to transition to RISC-V.
It is a move to decouple from the USA for critical infrastructure.
They don't want to be in a similar situation as Ukraine in any potential conflict. Where the USA just says we will no longer allow you to use our computer chips for war with Russia. -
There is no reference to it, but most semiconductors-making equipment is manufactured by a Dutch company named ASML. However, I don't know how useful this will be for EU to transition to RISC-V.
it's complicated. afaik asml has agreements with the us govt, and cross licensing with american companies. also, asml only makes lithography tools, there's a LOT more to making semiconductors than just exposing patterns. and a few of the biggest vendors like kla and amat are american. kla in particular is essentially a monopoly in the metrology space.
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ARM is a UK-based company. If they hadn't dropped out of EU, it's possible they would have settled on an ARM-based supercomputer design.
Chalk it up to another WIN for Brexit!
ARM was bought by the Japanese, it's no longer European. RISC-V is the future.
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ARM was bought by the Japanese, it's no longer European. RISC-V is the future.
Not just by the Japanese but by Softbank and Son Masayoshi, the guy now doing buddy-buddy photo ops & "Stargate AI" with Trump.
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Considering that you can buy some Raspberry Pi micro computers (these are ARM architecture computers) for less than €100 that are performance competitive with a lot of existing hardware; this idea would make a ton of sense for Europe to implement. I think Europe could probably start designing and manufacturing chips locally within 2 to 5 years on the low end 5 to 10 years on the high end.
ARM is proprietary tech owned by Softbank, whose boss Son Masayoshi was last seen cosying up to Trump with the "Stargate" AI consortium.
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Regardless of the outcome I just hope this doesn’t lead to more tribalism in software again. The FOSS community needs to stay strong on an international level whenever it comes to hardware integration etc.
I'll contact the maintainers of all my favorite FOSS programs written in x86 assembler, to ask them to port the software to RISC-V.
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Considering that you can buy some Raspberry Pi micro computers (these are ARM architecture computers) for less than €100 that are performance competitive with a lot of existing hardware; this idea would make a ton of sense for Europe to implement. I think Europe could probably start designing and manufacturing chips locally within 2 to 5 years on the low end 5 to 10 years on the high end.
I love the raspberry pi, but it's far from being competitive to something like an apple m4, a Qualcomm snapdragon or an am5 chip from AMD.
For its intended purpose it doesn't need to, but it's way slower and less power efficient.
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Digital Autonomy with RISC-V in Europe
They really tried hard to make an acronym fit...
A bit like SHIELD
