Is Canada joining the EU? Brussels hails ‘like-minded partners’ amid trade war with US
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@Barbarian would be great if EU finds a „second class“ membership where we only have a good travel and economy system with other countries but not a full membership. But when we look at UK, who left the EU, and how we struggle to find the way back to each other it‘s quite hard to imagine something like that at the moment.
The EU has multiple "second class" membership options. Multiple non-EU countries are in Schengen, even more have no visa requirements.
Multiple countries have trade deals with the EU, including Canada (as soon as CETA gets fully completed).
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Canada isn't really a giant in any sense of the word. I mean it is one of the world's top economies, but so are Britain, France and Germany. Mexico is economically even smaller. The US should absolutely not be allowed to join, though, yeah.
Well it is gigantic in terms of territory I would say; not that this is super relevant here however
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Aren't some parts of Outre-Mer France part of the EU, despite being located in the Carribean and South America?
That was the joke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guiana
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Nah, Eurovision is enough. We are happy to be everyones mates and have access to their markets. Our focus is Asian markets and it hurts our interests enough that some in the region view us as a remnant of European colonialism without us leaning into that. We aren't colonial and we aren't European. We need to find our own identity. Unlike Canada we aren't heavily dependent on exports to the US and desperate to find a replacement. Our equivalent would be a trade war with China and we have already proved we can cope with that.
I am more concerned about the US alliance. If they can shit on Ukraine and by extension Europe all our strategic planning and defence investments are worthless overnight as we can't rely on parts, or support let alone US forces showing up.
No I meant we should join Australia too
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EU/Canadian dual citizen here: fill membership doesn't make sense. Deeper integration to the point of having a customs union would probably be quite reasonable. I'm not sure about free movement of people however because the two parties have different attitudes to immigration. Canada cherishes immigration and cultural diversity, and considers it to be a defining national characteristic. Multiculturalism is quite literally baked in our constitution. European attitudes on the other hand, let's just say, I don't miss them.
Europe doesn't even want to certify CETA and Canada would have to ditch USMCA to join the customs union. Makes no economic sense, never gonna happen.
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That was the joke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guiana
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Violated?
As far as I understand, the vast majority of the agreement is already fully in effect, with a few loose ends still tied up in EU member states' legislatures.
Canadian businesses have just never really had a good reason to take advantage of the new trade rules until recently. Canadians might start noticing an increase in EU products range and availability over the next while.
Technically, it is not a done deal, but practically speaking, it is. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The Tarrifs are against the trade agreements.
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No I meant we should join Australia too
Well, about that.
Canada is basically USA-lite. We play cricket with NZ, India, West Indies, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and the Poms while you are playing seppo sports. You want to be part of the Commonwealth when things are tough but the rest of the time you are up the USA hard. So you are kind of Commonwealth-lite as well. We might be friendly and like weird mirror images of each other but pragmatically we don't have much in the way of common interests or uses to each other. Neither has a navy able to bust a blockade from the US or China so we are useless to each other militarily. Most of your exports go to North America and most of ours go to Asia. Apart from off season skiing there isn't a lot there.
Meanwhile there is a certain group of people who are anglophile, white supremacist, monarchist, conservatives who want the British empire back and we have them in Australia as well. They plotted coups against the government in the 1930s but they are back again today, emboldened by Trumpism and social media. I am suspicious as hell about CANZUK types. Fascists are the problem, not the solution. If people want a union based on those values, Trump is offering it all.
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Well, about that.
Canada is basically USA-lite. We play cricket with NZ, India, West Indies, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and the Poms while you are playing seppo sports. You want to be part of the Commonwealth when things are tough but the rest of the time you are up the USA hard. So you are kind of Commonwealth-lite as well. We might be friendly and like weird mirror images of each other but pragmatically we don't have much in the way of common interests or uses to each other. Neither has a navy able to bust a blockade from the US or China so we are useless to each other militarily. Most of your exports go to North America and most of ours go to Asia. Apart from off season skiing there isn't a lot there.
Meanwhile there is a certain group of people who are anglophile, white supremacist, monarchist, conservatives who want the British empire back and we have them in Australia as well. They plotted coups against the government in the 1930s but they are back again today, emboldened by Trumpism and social media. I am suspicious as hell about CANZUK types. Fascists are the problem, not the solution. If people want a union based on those values, Trump is offering it all.
Look, we have geese. You have wallabys. I propose we share
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Interest in Canada joining the EU has increased amid US tensions, with 44% of Canadians supporting the idea. While the EU acknowledges shared values, Canada's geographic distance and historical precedent present challenges for membership.
Trump could actually be pushing the world into a united Earth. Just have to wait till he dies, then we join with a real leader. Then Star Trek baby!
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I will never forget a conversation I had with some random Brit on Facebook before Brexit. He said to me, "You yanks don't know what it's like having your laws made for you by politicians you didn't vote for 500 miles away." In this hemisphere we call that Washington, D.C.
I mean, he had a point. What does a citizen of the American south know about secession, anyway?
Huh, my first thought was about the War of Independence.
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Interest in Canada joining the EU has increased amid US tensions, with 44% of Canadians supporting the idea. While the EU acknowledges shared values, Canada's geographic distance and historical precedent present challenges for membership.
Australia and new zeland also I want to see trump cry
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Huh, my first thought was about the War of Independence.
When the UK voted to leave the EU, how many members were they allowed to send to the EU council and the Parliament of Europe?
When the thirteen colonies declared independence from the British Empire, how many members were they allowed to send to the British House of Commons and House of Lords?
The UK was not in the position where they were outright denied representation in a government that exerted power over them; that...what would the appropriate British word be? Burk? Pillock? ...on Facebook I was talking to was bitching about not getting to vote against that guy from Greece or Germany in the same way I don't get to vote against that guy from Kentucky or Texas.
My home state and about a dozen others DID secede from the union while having fair and legal representation in Washington once...look how that turned out.
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Trump could actually be pushing the world into a united Earth. Just have to wait till he dies, then we join with a real leader. Then Star Trek baby!
A United Earth? Or an Orwellian tristate world?
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