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OpenAI declares AI race “over” if training on copyrighted works isn’t fair use

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  • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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    My main takeaway is that some contrived notion of "national security" has now become an acceptable justification for business decisions in the US.

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    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

      I mean, pirating media at scale for your own consumption can be considered "training of a neural network" as well..

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      First step, be a business. Second step, accept Trump's dick in your ass. Congratulations, here's your "get out of jail free" card.

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      • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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        He means development of AI in public view is over. Governments will continue without regard for copyright protections until we are all dead.

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        • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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          Come on bro, let us pirate bro, just one more ngram of books bro

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            That's where I don't agree. I don't subscribe to the view that LLMs merely are "stochastic parrots".

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            What do you think they are if not that?

            They don't have emotions, they don't have individual motivations, and don't have intent.

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            • M [email protected]

              If your argument is that it depends on the quality of the output, then I definitely shouldn't be allowed to look at art or read books.

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              I didn't say anything about quality.

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                You misspelled capitalism.

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                Unregulated capitalism. That’s why people in dominant market positions want less regulation.

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                  You forgot to link a legitimate source.

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                  A lecture from a professional free software developer and activist whose focus is the legal history and relevance of copyright isn't a legitimate source? His website: https://questioncopyright.org/promise/index.html

                  The anti-intelectualism of the modern era baffles me.

                  Also, he's on the fediverse!

                  kfogel.org

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                  • thann@lemmy.dbzer0.comT [email protected]

                    Slave owners might go broke after abolition? 😂

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                    I'm going to have to remember this

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                    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                      Training that AI is absolutely fair use.

                      Selling that AI service that was trained on copyrighted material is absolutely not fair use.

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                      Agreed... although I would go a step further and say distributing the LLM model or the results of use (even if done without cost) is not fair use, as the training materials weren't licensed.

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                        Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest!

                        What is the charge, officer? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meal?

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                          Why does Sam keep threatening us with a good time?

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                          • C [email protected]

                            So Deepmind is good to train on your models then right?

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                            Oh, so now you're just going to surrender our precious natural resources to the Imperialist Chinese?!

                            Guys, I think we've got a Wumao over here. Someone get what's left of the FBI to arrest him and show his ass the fucking door.

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                              So pirating full works suddenly is fair use, or what?

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                                I'm not sure how that applies in the current context, where it would be used as training data.

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                                Because once you can generate the GPL code from the lossy ai database trained on it the GPL protection is meaningless.

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                                  "We can't succeed without breaking the law. We can't succeed without operating unethically."

                                  I'm so sick of this bullshit. They pretend to love a free market until it's not in their favor and then they ask us to bend over backwards for them.

                                  Too many people think they're superior. Which is ironic, because they're also the ones asking for handouts and rule bending. If you were superior, you wouldn't need all the unethical things that you're asking for.

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                                    So pirating full works for commercial use suddenly is "fair use", or what? Lets see what e.g. Disney says about this.

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                                      If everyone can 'train' themselves on copyrighted works, then I say "fair game.''

                                      Otherwise, get fucked.

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                                        I'll get the champagne for us and tissues for Sam.

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                                        Unfortunately, the tissues have a 1000% tarrif. Perhaps sandpaper will do?

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                                        • tropicaldingdong@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                                          A lecture from a professional free software developer and activist whose focus is the legal history and relevance of copyright isn't a legitimate source? His website: https://questioncopyright.org/promise/index.html

                                          The anti-intelectualism of the modern era baffles me.

                                          Also, he's on the fediverse!

                                          kfogel.org

                                          @[email protected]

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                                          YouTube is not a legitimate source. The prof is fine but video only links are for the semi literate. It is frankly rude to post a minor comment and expect people to endure a video when a decent reader can absorb the main points from text in 20 seconds.

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