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OpenAI declares AI race “over” if training on copyrighted works isn’t fair use

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  • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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    Oh no anyway.jpg

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      This is exactly what social media companies have been doing for a while (it’s free, yes) they use your data to train their algorithms to squeeze more money out of people. They get a tangible and monetary benefit from our collective data. These AI companies want to train their AI on our hard work and then get monetary benefit off of it. How is this not seen as theft or even if they are not doing it just yet…how is it not seen as an attempt at theft?

      How come people (not the tech savvy) are unable to see how they are being exploited? These companies are not currently working towards any UBI bills or policies in governments that I am aware of. Since they want to take our work, and use it to get rich and their investors rich why do they think they are justified in using people’s work? It just seems so slime-y.

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      Capital calls its own theft "innovation" and that of the individual "crime".

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      • whotookkarl@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

        Copyrights should have never been extended longer than 5 years in the first place, either remove draconian copyright laws or outlaw LLM style models using copyrighted material, corpos can't have both.

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        • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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          So, did we win?

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          • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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            Okay.

            It was fun while it lasted.

            For someone.

            I presume.

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            • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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              What a giant load of crap.

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                The owners of the copyrighted works should be paid in perpetuity too though, since part of their work goes into everything the AI spits out.

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                I don't see why I'm downvoted for this, but I don't agree with this opinion - it's like teaching a human being. If you buy everything once it's still a hell of a bill - we are talking all books, all movies, all games, all software, all memes, all things - 1 of each is still trillions if you legally want to train your new thing on it.

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                  If it costs billions and billions, then only a handful of companies can afford to build an AI and they now have a monopoly on a technology that will eventually replace a chunk of the workforce. It would basically be giving our economy to Google.

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                  Yep exactly, that's why you make it people owned. What is your alternative ? They do have companies/governments that can afford it even at these steep prices.

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                    They're unprofitable as it is already. They're not going to be able to generate enough upfront capital to buy and then enclose all of humanity's previous works to then sell it back to us. I also think it would be heinous that they could enclose and exploit our commons in this manner.
                    It belongs to all of us. Sure train it and use it, but also release it open (or the gov can confiscate it, fine with that as well).
                    Anything but allowing those rat-snakes to keep it all for themselves.

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                    They can be even more unprofitable like Amazon was for years and years - and now they print money. I don't think it's a bad model, but it's gonna come down to just a couple governments/companies having powerful AIs where we are not needed anymore - so if it's privately owned it would spell doom for the human species or at least a huge portion of it, potential enslavement as well.

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                      I don't see why I'm downvoted for this, but I don't agree with this opinion - it's like teaching a human being. If you buy everything once it's still a hell of a bill - we are talking all books, all movies, all games, all software, all memes, all things - 1 of each is still trillions if you legally want to train your new thing on it.

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                      But a human can't look at a painting for a millisecond and spit out an exact replica in the next. A human can't listen to the collected works of a musical artist and instantly improvise infinite sound-a-like songs based on complex prompts. A human can't read every scientific article on the Internet in a few seconds and regurgitate any and every tiny trivial detail on demand in the literal blink of an eye. A human being has a soul. Most do anyway.

                      For the record, I didn't downvote you, but I'm guessing others did because you don't seem to see how AI so obviously devalues the beautiful and brilliant efforts of the human spirit to build and sustain our cultures, our societies, our civilizations, our species, our very world. In the capitalist hellscape that we currently suffer in, that kind of devaluing ought to be criminal.

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                      • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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                        Sorry to say, but he's right. For AI to truly flourish in the West, it needs access to all previously human made information and media.

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                          I find it odd that Lemmy users are so adverse to tech.

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                            Good, end this AI bullshit, it has little upsides and a metric fuckton of downsides for the common man

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                            It has some great upsides. But those upsides can be trained on specific information that they pay for instead of training AI on people's stuff who didn't consent.

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                              I find it odd that Lemmy users are so adverse to tech.

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                              Is that so? I don't find it odd at all when the only thing LLMs are good at so far is losing people their jobs and lowering the quality of essentially everything they get shoved into.

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                                I find it odd that Lemmy users are so adverse to tech.

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                                I am opposed to shitty tech.

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                                  Sorry to say, but he's right. For AI to truly flourish in the West, it needs access to all previously human made information and media.

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                                  Then it's a good thing they won't get it.

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                                    Is that so? I don't find it odd at all when the only thing LLMs are good at so far is losing people their jobs and lowering the quality of essentially everything they get shoved into.

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                                    That sounds like user error, not the LLMs fault

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                                    • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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                                      If giant megacorporations can benefit by ignoring copyright, us mortals should be able to as well.

                                      Until then, you have the public domain to train on. If you don't want AI to talk like the 1920s, you shouldn't have extended copyright and robbed society of a robust public domain.

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                                        I find it odd that Lemmy users are so adverse to tech.

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                                        Yeah it's crazy how intense the Lemmy hive mind is about some things. It's basically a cult

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                                        • spankmonkey@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                          What do you think they are if not that?

                                          They don't have emotions, they don't have individual motivations, and don't have intent.

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                                          No. But I do think they mimick the language capacity in the human brain.

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