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OpenAI declares AI race “over” if training on copyrighted works isn’t fair use

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  • B [email protected]

    Good, end this AI bullshit, it has little upsides and a metric fuckton of downsides for the common man

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    It has some great upsides. But those upsides can be trained on specific information that they pay for instead of training AI on people's stuff who didn't consent.

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      I find it odd that Lemmy users are so adverse to tech.

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      Is that so? I don't find it odd at all when the only thing LLMs are good at so far is losing people their jobs and lowering the quality of essentially everything they get shoved into.

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        I find it odd that Lemmy users are so adverse to tech.

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        I am opposed to shitty tech.

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          Sorry to say, but he's right. For AI to truly flourish in the West, it needs access to all previously human made information and media.

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          Then it's a good thing they won't get it.

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            Is that so? I don't find it odd at all when the only thing LLMs are good at so far is losing people their jobs and lowering the quality of essentially everything they get shoved into.

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            That sounds like user error, not the LLMs fault

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              If giant megacorporations can benefit by ignoring copyright, us mortals should be able to as well.

              Until then, you have the public domain to train on. If you don't want AI to talk like the 1920s, you shouldn't have extended copyright and robbed society of a robust public domain.

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                I find it odd that Lemmy users are so adverse to tech.

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                Yeah it's crazy how intense the Lemmy hive mind is about some things. It's basically a cult

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                • spankmonkey@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                  What do you think they are if not that?

                  They don't have emotions, they don't have individual motivations, and don't have intent.

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                  No. But I do think they mimick the language capacity in the human brain.

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                    If giant megacorporations can benefit by ignoring copyright, us mortals should be able to as well.

                    Until then, you have the public domain to train on. If you don't want AI to talk like the 1920s, you shouldn't have extended copyright and robbed society of a robust public domain.

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                    Either we can now have full authority to do anything we want with copyright, or the companies have to have to abide the same rules the plebs and serfs have to and only take from media a century ago, or stuff that fell through the cracks like Night of the Living Dead.

                    Copyright has always been a farce and a lie for the corporations, so it's nothing new that its "Do as I say, not as I do."

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                      Yeah it's crazy how intense the Lemmy hive mind is about some things. It's basically a cult

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                      lol, this is a human trait, not a Reddit/Twitter/Lemmy "thing".

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                        I find it odd that Lemmy users are so adverse to tech.

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                        The world doesn't allow us to disconnect tech and capitalism. Why should we be happy about the tech just for the techs sake? People aren't adverse to the tech. They are against its use to further our exploitation.

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                        • demonsword@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                          my top 3:

                          #1 Elon Musk

                          #2 Mark Zuckerberg

                          #3 Jeff Bezos

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                          Zuckerpunch

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                            As an artist, kindly get fucked ass hole. I'd like compensation for all the work of mine you stole.

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                            I love your name

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                            • G [email protected]

                              In such a scenario, it will be worth it. Llm aren't databases that just hold copy pasted information. If we get to a point where it can spit out whole functional githubs replicating complex software, it will be able to do so with most software regardless of being trained on similar data or not.

                              All software will be a prompt away including the closed sourced ones. I don't think you can get more open source then that. But that's only if strident laws aren't put in place to ban open source ai models, since Google will put that one prompt behind a paychecks worth of money if they can.

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                              I don't see how you can write the law such that it allows training ai on copyrighted data without making it possible to train a special llm on a single github instead of the entire universe, and essentially treat it as a full compression of the source.

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                                Either we can now have full authority to do anything we want with copyright, or the companies have to have to abide the same rules the plebs and serfs have to and only take from media a century ago, or stuff that fell through the cracks like Night of the Living Dead.

                                Copyright has always been a farce and a lie for the corporations, so it's nothing new that its "Do as I say, not as I do."

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                                I'd settle for shortening the term of copyright.

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                                  Is that so? I don't find it odd at all when the only thing LLMs are good at so far is losing people their jobs and lowering the quality of essentially everything they get shoved into.

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                                  I agree with the other user that it sounds like user error. Or perhaps you've not really used them at all, and just have joined the AI hate bandwagon.

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                                    I am opposed to shitty tech.

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                                    It's not shitty tech.

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                                      The world doesn't allow us to disconnect tech and capitalism. Why should we be happy about the tech just for the techs sake? People aren't adverse to the tech. They are against its use to further our exploitation.

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                                      It's not tech for techs sake, and it's not exploitation.

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                                        I find it odd that Lemmy users are so adverse to tech.

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                                        People are not averse to tech, they are averse to being treated like shit as compared to rich businesses. If copyright doesn't apply to companies it must not apply to individuals.

                                        In that case most of I think will agree to LLMs learning from all the written stuff.

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                                          I agree with the other user that it sounds like user error. Or perhaps you've not really used them at all, and just have joined the AI hate bandwagon.

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                                          Cry about it. Crypto bros make the same excuses to this day prove your bullshit works before you start shoving it in my face. And yes, LLMs are really unhelpful. There's extremely little value you can get out of them (outside of generating text that looks like a human wrote it which is what they are designed to do) unless you are a proper moron.

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