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  • B [email protected]

    You don't understand Putin's strategy. Controlling America would be great, but he doesn't have to control it, he just has to throw it into chaos, so that its outsized influence in the world is destroyed. Then they can establish a new world order in which Sociopathic Oligarchs run the world instead nations. If they succeed, every Sociopathic Oligarch becomes his own little King, free from the restrictions of his nation's laws. That's why every billionaire is on board, and why we should prohibit billionaires, if we even survive this.

    In 1997, Alexander Dugin published Foundations in Geopolitics, which has become the Russian playbook. It is taught at the Russian Officer's School, and Putin keeps a copy in his office. Dugin is a highly influential advisor to Putin. His daughter rose to be an extremely influential member of the Russian Intelligence agency. She was killed by a car bomb few years ago, which as meant for her father, who was saved when he went back to retrieve his umbrella.

    Foundations of Geopolitics describes how Russia can become the dominant world influence without firing a shot. Each geographical region of the world has its own plan. For America, the plan is:

    Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instabilty and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists" to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic conflict, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements - extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics.

    Sound familiar? It perfectly describes the growing divisions in this country in the 21st century. How can you call this a coincidence?

    Of particular interest is the very first line: "Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States..." What does that mean? What "special forces" had Russia planted in America in 1997, when this book was published. We now know that the FBI was aware of Russian moles in America as early as 2000, but these people were quietly placed in sensitive positions to get access to information. They weren't the kind of "special forces" intended to sow chaos.

    OTOH, Trump was a friend to the Russians since 1987, when he visited SOVIET Russia, and was given the designation Agent Krasnov. Soon after that visit, he began parroting Russian propaganda talking points and laundering money for Russian Oligarchs/Mobsters. It is likely that Agent Krasnov was at least one of the "special forces" referred to.

    Now he is president again, and this time he came into office prepared with a plan - Project 2025. Our government is being systematically and recklessly dismantled, and we are quickly careening toward chaos. The day the first Social Security payment is missed, which will be soon, America will come apart at the seams.

    It all fits the plan for America in The Foundation of Geopolitics. We saw how he was a supplicant to Putin during his first term, and we know Trump and Musk were both in close contact with Putin during the Biden years. We know that nearly everyone in Trump's orbit during his first term (Flynn, Manafort, et al) were so involved with the Russians that many went to prison for what essentially amounts to treason. All of that, and much more, and you still think Trump's connections to Putin/Russia are doubtful?

    Polish your Critical Thinking Skills, and hone your Google-Fu. You need to do more research.

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    Polish your Critical Thinking Skills, and hone your Google-Fu. You need to do more research.

    You need to talk to people in a less condescending manner. I explicitly asked for more information (‘feel free to make the case’) and laid out an alternative explanation, there’s nothing ‘uncritical’ about that. I haven’t a clue what ‘Google-Fu’ is supposed to mean. I get my information from reputable Dutch and German newspapers.

    How can you call this a coincidence?

    You’re putting words in my mouth, but I won’t believe current developments in the US are the results of the Russians if a causative relationship hasn’t been established.

    Again, I don’t doubt these are the aims of the Russian government, but Russian campaigns are probably fuelling processes that were going on in the US anyway. In the Netherlands, Russians don’t really need to do anything as indigenous racist elements like Wilders have it easy enough as is to harnass these underlying discomforts with ‘the other’, whatever form they may take. Attacks against Turkish immigrants (‘guest workers’) happened in the seventies, there always was an underlying current.

    This is all a of completely different order than the claim I’ve been hearing often, that Trump is a literal Putin agent, and I don’t buy it. The agent Krasnov claim came from one guy, as far as I know. Not very convincing, but this what I was actually referring to when I said ‘feel free to make a case’, as I haven’t found this to be very convincing - and I especially haven’t seen convincing evidence.

    We saw how he was a supplicant to Putin during his first term, and we know Trump and Musk were both in close contact with Putin during the Biden years. We know that nearly everyone in Trump's orbit during his first term (Flynn, Manafort, et al) were so involved with the Russians that many went to prison for what essentially amounts to treason. All of that, and much more, and you still think Trump's connections to Putin/Russia are doubtful?

    I didn’t, as I’m Dutch and I dislike following American news. I’ve heard it indeed seems to be the case that Russian narratives work well in the Trump camp. Still, I’m quite sure that if Russia starts following a foreign policy that isn’t compatible with what the Trump camp wants, they’ll drop them as quickly as they did Europe.

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    • donantoniomagino@feddit.nlD [email protected]

      Polish your Critical Thinking Skills, and hone your Google-Fu. You need to do more research.

      You need to talk to people in a less condescending manner. I explicitly asked for more information (‘feel free to make the case’) and laid out an alternative explanation, there’s nothing ‘uncritical’ about that. I haven’t a clue what ‘Google-Fu’ is supposed to mean. I get my information from reputable Dutch and German newspapers.

      How can you call this a coincidence?

      You’re putting words in my mouth, but I won’t believe current developments in the US are the results of the Russians if a causative relationship hasn’t been established.

      Again, I don’t doubt these are the aims of the Russian government, but Russian campaigns are probably fuelling processes that were going on in the US anyway. In the Netherlands, Russians don’t really need to do anything as indigenous racist elements like Wilders have it easy enough as is to harnass these underlying discomforts with ‘the other’, whatever form they may take. Attacks against Turkish immigrants (‘guest workers’) happened in the seventies, there always was an underlying current.

      This is all a of completely different order than the claim I’ve been hearing often, that Trump is a literal Putin agent, and I don’t buy it. The agent Krasnov claim came from one guy, as far as I know. Not very convincing, but this what I was actually referring to when I said ‘feel free to make a case’, as I haven’t found this to be very convincing - and I especially haven’t seen convincing evidence.

      We saw how he was a supplicant to Putin during his first term, and we know Trump and Musk were both in close contact with Putin during the Biden years. We know that nearly everyone in Trump's orbit during his first term (Flynn, Manafort, et al) were so involved with the Russians that many went to prison for what essentially amounts to treason. All of that, and much more, and you still think Trump's connections to Putin/Russia are doubtful?

      I didn’t, as I’m Dutch and I dislike following American news. I’ve heard it indeed seems to be the case that Russian narratives work well in the Trump camp. Still, I’m quite sure that if Russia starts following a foreign policy that isn’t compatible with what the Trump camp wants, they’ll drop them as quickly as they did Europe.

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      You admit you don't follow American news closely, and much of your opinion is based on your own speculation.

      While one ex-KGB agent recently revealed Trump's code name, numerous Russians have described a long pattern of manipulation of Trump, starting with his well-documented trip to Russia in 1987.

      You keep insisting that your perspective that there is little Russian influence on Trump and others in his administration is simply contradicted by actual facts.

      Google-Fu is an American idiom for being proficient with Google searches (derived from Kung Fu).

      As for being condescending, as an American whose name will probably appear on the MAGANazi detainment lists at some point, I don't have any patience for people who are downplaying Trump's breath-taking treason, and I won't apologize for it.

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      • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

        I mean, I'd believe that it was staged now, but what about the spectator that died? Collatoral damage? (I mean that seriously btw.)

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        You think they care that people were killed and injured? That only sells the hoax more. I'm sure those pyschopaths feel that he died heroically, helping get HitlerPig reelected.

        It's also why they seldom bring it up. If anyone decides to look too close, there will be a lot of murder and conspiracy charges to go around.

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        • B [email protected]

          You admit you don't follow American news closely, and much of your opinion is based on your own speculation.

          While one ex-KGB agent recently revealed Trump's code name, numerous Russians have described a long pattern of manipulation of Trump, starting with his well-documented trip to Russia in 1987.

          You keep insisting that your perspective that there is little Russian influence on Trump and others in his administration is simply contradicted by actual facts.

          Google-Fu is an American idiom for being proficient with Google searches (derived from Kung Fu).

          As for being condescending, as an American whose name will probably appear on the MAGANazi detainment lists at some point, I don't have any patience for people who are downplaying Trump's breath-taking treason, and I won't apologize for it.

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          Considering you're not giving any actual evidence, much of what you're writing amounts to speculation as far as I'm concerned as well.

          I'm not downplaying anything, I'm saying I'm not buying an oft-repeated narrative, and I'm still not buying it. And, in any case, I don't expect you to apologise, I expect people I'm responding to in a polite manner to be vaguely polite back. I've not doubted your intellectual capabilities just for disagreeing with me.

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          • dmmacniel@feddit.orgD [email protected]

            I hope the people of USA are aware of this, as this could absolutely mean war.

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            Some of us are, but when I speak of these things out loud, I even sound crazy to myself. It’s just so unbelievable.

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            • morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.deM [email protected]

              ok so let's do these quickly:

              1. declare the AfD unconstitutional in Germany
              2. make Marine Le Pen ineligible in France
              3. destitute Viktor Orban in Hungary
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              Great plan! I’ll tell all my EU family to vote for you—haha

              I like this list. Should have been done already. Especially Le Pen and Orban—they have been on our radar for so long it’s absurd how they’ve been allowed to fester. AfD needs to go. I also am extremely skeptical and have my eye on Sahra Wagenknecht with her praise of Putin.

              Sovereign countries have the right to remain sovereign and defend against foreign and domestic interlopers who wish to end their sovereignty. I’m rooting for you and if I gets bad enough I hope I can be allowed to lend myself to your fight.

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              • donantoniomagino@feddit.nlD [email protected]

                Considering you're not giving any actual evidence, much of what you're writing amounts to speculation as far as I'm concerned as well.

                I'm not downplaying anything, I'm saying I'm not buying an oft-repeated narrative, and I'm still not buying it. And, in any case, I don't expect you to apologise, I expect people I'm responding to in a polite manner to be vaguely polite back. I've not doubted your intellectual capabilities just for disagreeing with me.

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                You're starting to sound like one more far-right apologist, offering only soft arguments against fascism, while carefully allowing Russia to escape blame for their obvious nefarious behavior, despite years of open evidence of it. We see this a lot in America, although yours was more subtle than we usually see, because American MAGAs are fucking stupid, and can't navigate subtlety.

                You are the one who offered no sources for your allegations that Russia isn't really leading the growing wave of far-right activism across the world. I offered two solid sources for my basic argument, and invited you to do more research. It's not my job to hold your hand. If you truly want to know more, which seems increasingly doubtful, you have Google on your phone and computer.

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                  You're starting to sound like one more far-right apologist, offering only soft arguments against fascism, while carefully allowing Russia to escape blame for their obvious nefarious behavior, despite years of open evidence of it. We see this a lot in America, although yours was more subtle than we usually see, because American MAGAs are fucking stupid, and can't navigate subtlety.

                  You are the one who offered no sources for your allegations that Russia isn't really leading the growing wave of far-right activism across the world. I offered two solid sources for my basic argument, and invited you to do more research. It's not my job to hold your hand. If you truly want to know more, which seems increasingly doubtful, you have Google on your phone and computer.

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                  Yes, I'm far-right. Whatever.

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                  • donantoniomagino@feddit.nlD [email protected]

                    Yes, I'm far-right. Whatever.

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                    I don't know what you are, but if you are going to let Russia off the hook for what is their OBVIOUS geopolitical strategy, people are going to suspect that of you. Patriotic, non-MAGA Americans no longer have the luxury of denying the truth of Russia's manipulation. Here, we are in a Civil War, and citizens have to take a side, and if you arent with us, you're with the enemy.

                    It may not be that dire in your country, but it wasn't dire in our country either, until it was. You would do yourself and your nation a service by getting on board with resistance now, before its too late. Russia is closer to you than America, and when they have dismantled America, you will be directly at their mercy.

                    Unless that's what you want.

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                    • aleq@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                      The group that drafted a key blueprint for Donald Trump’s second term convened a meeting in Washington D.C. this week to consider proposals for bulldozing the European Union (EU).

                      The Polish investigative outlet VSquare revealed that the Heritage Foundation gathered hardline conservative groups on 11 March to hear how they would overhaul the current structures of the EU.

                      The “closed-door workshop” featured a debate on a new paper produced by the lobby groups MCC and Ordo Iuris entitled: “The Great Reset: Restoring Member State Sovereignty in the 21st Century”.

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                      Sounds like an act of war

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                      • T [email protected]

                        Great plan! I’ll tell all my EU family to vote for you—haha

                        I like this list. Should have been done already. Especially Le Pen and Orban—they have been on our radar for so long it’s absurd how they’ve been allowed to fester. AfD needs to go. I also am extremely skeptical and have my eye on Sahra Wagenknecht with her praise of Putin.

                        Sovereign countries have the right to remain sovereign and defend against foreign and domestic interlopers who wish to end their sovereignty. I’m rooting for you and if I gets bad enough I hope I can be allowed to lend myself to your fight.

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                        ha ❤ keep your vote for someone more competent than me, you'll find me on the barricades but not in the parliament 🙂

                        Wagenknecht belongs to these people who believe that appeasement works with the extreme right. You give them what they want and they'll be happy, they'll keep their word and you'll be safe. Yes of course you had to sacrifice a few marginalized people on the way, but that's a fair price to pay for peace, right? RIGHT? oh shit, now the leopard is also eating MY face. 😱🙀

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                        • ? Guest

                          I am truly, honestly and in all seriousness scared. I have already sought professional help, have my First Session tomorrow but i must say... The Things that Happen These days worry me to a Point where i am truly afraid of the Future.

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                          You’re not allowed to go out alone. At least take a few Nazis with you.

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                          • aleq@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                            The group that drafted a key blueprint for Donald Trump’s second term convened a meeting in Washington D.C. this week to consider proposals for bulldozing the European Union (EU).

                            The Polish investigative outlet VSquare revealed that the Heritage Foundation gathered hardline conservative groups on 11 March to hear how they would overhaul the current structures of the EU.

                            The “closed-door workshop” featured a debate on a new paper produced by the lobby groups MCC and Ordo Iuris entitled: “The Great Reset: Restoring Member State Sovereignty in the 21st Century”.

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                            Hi, question: how many people here first checked credibility of the media involved? Don't worry, they seem legit, I am really just wondering because I quite recently found out that not many people really checks the sources when news like this appear. Please vote: "I checked" = upvote, "I didn't check" = downvote. Thank you.

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                            • B [email protected]

                              I AM hearing about it without doomscrolling. Do you watch ANY news, or any other media?

                              This isn't just Liberal propaganda, these people are really dismantling our government at a record pace, and they are deliberately doing it recklessly to cause the most chaos. Not only can we NOT avoid it, we SHOULDNT avoid it. We need to turn our fears and worries into white-hot anger at what these MAGATurd Nazis are doing to our nation, and the world.

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                              It’s serious, so you should act accordingly. No need to panic or loose control. Just participate and influence your future. Use whatever means you are comfortable with.

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                              • P [email protected]

                                This is such a privileged take. And I know because I'm also privileged. I'm a straight, white, cis, male. I grew up in an Evangelical Christian home, and could pretend to be Christian if needed (though I won't). You and I are lucky enough to be able to ignore this until we "hear about it without doomscrolling."

                                Like you do realize that this means that you'll hear about it when shit is really fucking bad. I guess fuck trans people, right?

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                                If you allow minorities to be oppressed, it will eventually lead to the oppression of larger minorities. Eventually, they’ll also find a reason to come after you as well. Maybe it’s the freckles, or pizza toppings or political opinions. Either way, oppression has a tendency to expand.

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                                • P [email protected]

                                  I understand where it comes from, but I think this is just bad advice. We cannot encourage people to ignore what is happening.

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                                  There are healthier ways to stay informed. Doomscrolling has a tendency to cause intense emotions that probably aren’t very helpful during a time when staying focused is important. People shouldn’t ignore what’s happening. Instead, they should try to fix the problem. Unnecessary anxiety and fear is just counterproductive.

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                                  • aleq@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                                    The group that drafted a key blueprint for Donald Trump’s second term convened a meeting in Washington D.C. this week to consider proposals for bulldozing the European Union (EU).

                                    The Polish investigative outlet VSquare revealed that the Heritage Foundation gathered hardline conservative groups on 11 March to hear how they would overhaul the current structures of the EU.

                                    The “closed-door workshop” featured a debate on a new paper produced by the lobby groups MCC and Ordo Iuris entitled: “The Great Reset: Restoring Member State Sovereignty in the 21st Century”.

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                                    The American Heritage Foundation needs to pound sand.

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                                    • aleq@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                                      The group that drafted a key blueprint for Donald Trump’s second term convened a meeting in Washington D.C. this week to consider proposals for bulldozing the European Union (EU).

                                      The Polish investigative outlet VSquare revealed that the Heritage Foundation gathered hardline conservative groups on 11 March to hear how they would overhaul the current structures of the EU.

                                      The “closed-door workshop” featured a debate on a new paper produced by the lobby groups MCC and Ordo Iuris entitled: “The Great Reset: Restoring Member State Sovereignty in the 21st Century”.

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                                      US looking to destabilise and destroy a democratically formed group / nation state for their own interests? Shocker.

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                                      • sunshine@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                                        The American Heritage Foundation needs to pound sand.

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                                        The need to be put on a terrorist watch list.

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                                        • dietasse@feddit.orgD [email protected]

                                          Hi, question: how many people here first checked credibility of the media involved? Don't worry, they seem legit, I am really just wondering because I quite recently found out that not many people really checks the sources when news like this appear. Please vote: "I checked" = upvote, "I didn't check" = downvote. Thank you.

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                                          I just came to shit on the Heritage Foundation, regardless of the veracity of the headline. Can I stay?

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