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  • tropicaldingdong@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

    Was just now in another thread having nostalgia about this game: Reamlz.

    It was distributed as freeware/ shareware back in the 90's. You had to physically mail the producers cash if you wanted to get the expansions. I played through Balders Gate III recently and honestly, it doesn't even come close to the replayability that Realmz had.

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    Realmz was out about the same time as Spiderweb Software's games (Exile series, later re-released as Avernum series). Both were popular RPGs for the Macintosh (though I believe both had Windows releases as well).

    While I did play and enjoy Realmz back in the day, I personally preferred the Spiderweb Software games. More complicated interaction with the world, and I preferred the writing. Less-pretty, though the Avernum re-release was isometric and had new graphics. Have you ever tried them?

    I don't know if I can recommend them in 2025, but if you're still enjoying Realmz, I figure that the Spiderweb Software stuff might also be something of interest.

    EDIT: The current Steam sale, which runs for another two days, appears to have a bundle of all of their games on sale for 60% off. I didn't personally enjoy the Geneforge series as much as the Exile/Avernum series, and the Avadon series is considerably simpler, and didn't really grab me. But a lot of the games are also on sale individually, so...shrugs

    EDIT2: It looks like Realmz has not seen a Steam release; thought I'd check to see if it was on Steam too.

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    • tropicaldingdong@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

      Was just now in another thread having nostalgia about this game: Reamlz.

      It was distributed as freeware/ shareware back in the 90's. You had to physically mail the producers cash if you wanted to get the expansions. I played through Balders Gate III recently and honestly, it doesn't even come close to the replayability that Realmz had.

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      Never played it, but this type of game is up my alley. For what it's worth:

      https://www.gog.com/dreamlist/game/realmz-1994

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        I have a large backlog of five(?)+ plus year old games that are really good and I have yet to play. I'd much rather burn through those enjoying them on high settings instead of playing current games on low settings while trying to dodge crap monetization.

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        • ampersandrew@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

          That's a high bar to clear, but if you add it to the GOG Dreamlist, I'll vote for it.

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          It's already on there

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            Currently 100% of my time is spent on games that are "six or more years old", and a lot of that is spent on games that are more than 30 years old. But! I'm playing newly-made community content for 30 y/o games. This kind of retrogaming is something that evades Steam statistics entirely because it usually means playing custom sourceports of old games which rarely are on Steam. One old game I play on Steam to contribute to this statistics is Skyrim.

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            For me, definitely older and indie (old and new). I don't get a lot of time these days to sit at my PC. Using my steam deck primarily these days is part of the reason I'm playing older games, but seriously I have a problem with steam/gog/name a storefront/ backlogs. I have so many games already, great time to review what I bought because of hype but never played.

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            • termaxima@jlai.luT [email protected]

              Games as a whole are getting better, but AAA is getting worse.

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              Indies are so good right now, and most without crazy DRM!

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                It's already on there

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                Thanks. I gave it a search before asking, and I didn't see it, but with the link you posted elsewhere, I just voted on it.

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                • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

                  Realmz was out about the same time as Spiderweb Software's games (Exile series, later re-released as Avernum series). Both were popular RPGs for the Macintosh (though I believe both had Windows releases as well).

                  While I did play and enjoy Realmz back in the day, I personally preferred the Spiderweb Software games. More complicated interaction with the world, and I preferred the writing. Less-pretty, though the Avernum re-release was isometric and had new graphics. Have you ever tried them?

                  I don't know if I can recommend them in 2025, but if you're still enjoying Realmz, I figure that the Spiderweb Software stuff might also be something of interest.

                  EDIT: The current Steam sale, which runs for another two days, appears to have a bundle of all of their games on sale for 60% off. I didn't personally enjoy the Geneforge series as much as the Exile/Avernum series, and the Avadon series is considerably simpler, and didn't really grab me. But a lot of the games are also on sale individually, so...shrugs

                  EDIT2: It looks like Realmz has not seen a Steam release; thought I'd check to see if it was on Steam too.

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                  Me and my friends, we would play together by each getting a character and then taking turns during combat moving each of our characters.

                  I might buy that bundle on just your recommendation. I never tried those but if its vaguely like Realmz, I want to try it, since I pretty much only play on my steam deck these days.

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                  • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

                    7.1% of the total hours spent were on Counter-Strike: Global Offensive / Counter-Strike 2
                    6.4% were in League of Legends
                    6.2% were in Roblox
                    5.8% were in Dota 2
                    5.4% were in Fortnite

                    That is a lot of people playing free-to-play competitive multiplayer games.

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                    Its the replayability. I mean, look how many people are still playing chess. Stick a human intelligence on the other end of the stick and you've pretty much got it figured out.

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                      I have hundreds of games on steam.

                      I mostly play minecraft.

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                        Does "older games" only mean the initial public release? So world of Warcraft, Dota 2, Minecraft... all those games that are constantly updated etc. too?

                        Because that would be a really useless statistic. Many games are not a one time release and done thing anymore. They evolve over time. The games I listed have large player bases.

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                        • termaxima@jlai.luT [email protected]

                          Games as a whole are getting better, but AAA is getting worse.

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                          Are they getting worse overall or are we just comparing all of the current AAA games to the best AAA of the past few decades? Or comparing the current versions of series to the high points, which might just be the first game in the series?

                          We definitely have a number of high quality AAA games that come out each year. Most prior years had a few high quality AAA games and a lot of mediocre or terrible ones too. It's kind of like music where the average quality over time is actually pretty consistent, but in any given year there are a lot of turds and there are certain trends that are common to those turds.

                          90% of every entertainment medium tends to be terrible, but when we look back we mostly remember the 10% that were good and only a few of the absolute worst to laugh at.

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                          • ampersandrew@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                            In general, I'd agree that games are getting better, if for no other reason that there are so many made these days that eventually you'll find something great.

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                            If nothing else, the total volume of great games that are available to play keeps increasing because of massive improvements in backwards compatibility through steam and other online game distributors.

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                              I have hundreds of games on steam.

                              I mostly play minecraft.

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                              My games library is so huge, and I suffer from choice paralysis all the time.

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                                For me, definitely older and indie (old and new). I don't get a lot of time these days to sit at my PC. Using my steam deck primarily these days is part of the reason I'm playing older games, but seriously I have a problem with steam/gog/name a storefront/ backlogs. I have so many games already, great time to review what I bought because of hype but never played.

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                                Yeah that whole conundrum, if you have the money to buy new games you don't have the time to play them, if you had the time, you wouldn't have the money to buy them.

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                                  Me a fraction of a fraction of the gamer community playing only recent PCVR games and also Noita.

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                                    Free is an important reason why. Also, these games run very well on old machines. If you mostly play that and get a new rig, you don't have to spend a lot. Pc parts have gotten ridiculously expensive.

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                                    I get free reducing the barrier-to-entry, but I kinda look at games in terms of "how much is the ratio of the cost to how many hours of fun gameplay that I get?"

                                    I mean, I have some games that I briefly try, dislike, and never play again. Those are pretty expensive, almost regardless of the purchase price.

                                    But the thing is, if it's a game that you play a lot, the purchase price becomes almost irrelevant in cost-per-hour of gameplay. I've played Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead --- well, okay, you can download that for free, but I also bought it on Steam to throw the developers some money --- and Caves of Qud a ton. The price on them is basically a rounding error. And the same is probably true for the top few games in my game library.

                                    You could charge me probably $2000 for Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead, and it'd still be cheaper per hour of gameplay than nearly all games that I've played, because I've spent so many hours in the thing.

                                    If people are playing these like crazy, you'd think that the same would hold for them. That the cost for a game that you play like crazy for many years just...doesn't matter all that much, because the difference in hours played between games is so huge that it overwhelms the difference in price.

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                                      I have been playing Galaga regularly since 1981. Still play it at least once a week.

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                                      • tropicaldingdong@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                                        Was just now in another thread having nostalgia about this game: Reamlz.

                                        It was distributed as freeware/ shareware back in the 90's. You had to physically mail the producers cash if you wanted to get the expansions. I played through Balders Gate III recently and honestly, it doesn't even come close to the replayability that Realmz had.

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                                        Curious what makes Realmz so replayable. BG3 has so many unique storylines and endings you’d be hard pressed to play them all. Not to mention character classes and subclasses.

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                                        • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

                                          7.1% of the total hours spent were on Counter-Strike: Global Offensive / Counter-Strike 2
                                          6.4% were in League of Legends
                                          6.2% were in Roblox
                                          5.8% were in Dota 2
                                          5.4% were in Fortnite

                                          That is a lot of people playing free-to-play competitive multiplayer games.

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                                          I read every one of those and thought. Well that's a new game. Apparently I'm old.

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