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Microsoft tells Windows 10 users to just trade in their PC for a newer one, because how hard can it be?

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  • ? Guest

    Seriously, use Linux. What is the problem?

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    Adobe and ease of use

    I need Adobe, specifically Lightroom, because there’s no alternative. I can’t just stop using it as a semi-professional photographer (I make money from it, just not a ton).

    Darktable doesn’t handle large libraries well and also is missing features such as AI remove and integration with photoshop for splitting photos up for social media posts.

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      Fair, but that's not a Linux problem. Publishers need to support the platform. Is windows bad for not "running" final cut?

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      I'm going to go against the grain here a bit and say that people considering a switch to Linux need to have certain expectations going into it. There are zero guarantees that anything Linux will be a "just works" operation. Especially when you get into the laptop scene and proprietary hardware.

      Like sometimes an update will break things. Sometimes you will break things and spend time fixing it. Sometimes a piece of software and/or hardware will just not work at all and you'll try convoluted workarounds that may or may not work. Linux support is often an afterthought considering <5% of desktop users use it. Popular programs and software are often just not available at all and the FOSS alternatives lack features you may need.

      I truly feel that Linux is like the "I own an old hotrod in my garage and work on it as a hobby" compared to "I drive a cheap commuter car and just want it to work". Yes windows breaks sometimes too, and I hate using their current operating system at work with telemetry and ads and knee-crippling limitations or random ass crashes, etc.

      But I've also been in the position that I woke up one day and updated Garuda Linux and spent the entire day trying to not boot into a plain black screen when I had my KVM connected. I finally got my fstab working to mount my NFS share of my NAS after months of fucking with it when I feel like this is an incredibly easy "problem" that's solution should have been apparent for the last 30 years or so and in my eyes should be something the OS should just "do on its own" automatically.

      All that being said, I still love Linux and will never use anything else on my systems. I enjoy the tweaking of things, experimenting, having all the control I could ever want.

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      • ? Guest

        Seriously, use Linux. What is the problem?

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        #77

        Gaming. The only reason I went from Ubuntu to Windows.

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        • pillowtalk420@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

          So, uh... You gonna trade me a better machine for my current one, Microsoft?

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          M$: best I can do is Intel celery, but it's new enough to run windows 11

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          • kazerniel@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

            Not the fault of Linux, but these are still the "problem" OP asked about regarding switching to Linux.

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            pragmatist and whatever you call the other guy talking past each other

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              I'm going to go against the grain here a bit and say that people considering a switch to Linux need to have certain expectations going into it. There are zero guarantees that anything Linux will be a "just works" operation. Especially when you get into the laptop scene and proprietary hardware.

              Like sometimes an update will break things. Sometimes you will break things and spend time fixing it. Sometimes a piece of software and/or hardware will just not work at all and you'll try convoluted workarounds that may or may not work. Linux support is often an afterthought considering <5% of desktop users use it. Popular programs and software are often just not available at all and the FOSS alternatives lack features you may need.

              I truly feel that Linux is like the "I own an old hotrod in my garage and work on it as a hobby" compared to "I drive a cheap commuter car and just want it to work". Yes windows breaks sometimes too, and I hate using their current operating system at work with telemetry and ads and knee-crippling limitations or random ass crashes, etc.

              But I've also been in the position that I woke up one day and updated Garuda Linux and spent the entire day trying to not boot into a plain black screen when I had my KVM connected. I finally got my fstab working to mount my NFS share of my NAS after months of fucking with it when I feel like this is an incredibly easy "problem" that's solution should have been apparent for the last 30 years or so and in my eyes should be something the OS should just "do on its own" automatically.

              All that being said, I still love Linux and will never use anything else on my systems. I enjoy the tweaking of things, experimenting, having all the control I could ever want.

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              Linux is a spectrum. Just like owning a car, sure there are people who own custom hotrods. But there are also enterprise level work trucks that can carry thousands of tons. There's all sorts if in between, including small town cars, hatchbacks and buses. Just like they're all vehicles of all different sorts, there's also all sorts of Linux.

              Buy System76 or Framework laptops and you'll never have a driver problem. Use a stable user friendly distro like Mint and your experience will be smooth sailing. Use an immutable distro and you cannot wreak your system. Hire a pro data center and they'll set you up with enterprise level servers. TrueNAS sells hardware and also distributes a high compatibility community Linux distro for NAS.

              Now, use a niche experimental distro packaged by a single developer on their free time. Well, don't act surprised if it breaks.

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                DoN't YOu gUyS hAvE TPM?
                Hilarious.

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                TPM part is easy. It's them arbitrarily cutting out cpu generations that's the problem.

                oh you have an almost brand new cpu, sorry we decided you needed a slightly newer line for win 11. Just trade it in for a new one

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                • p_kanarinac@retrolemmy.comP [email protected]

                  Gaming. The only reason I went from Ubuntu to Windows.

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                  From games with anti cheats exclusively functional on windows I'm assuming. Otherwise gaming is on par

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                    From games with anti cheats exclusively functional on windows I'm assuming. Otherwise gaming is on par

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                    Not sure what made them not work, but this makes sense.

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                      M$: best I can do is Intel celery, but it's new enough to run windows 11

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                      sigh does it at least come with ranch or peanutbutter? Celery is better with one of those.

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                      • drdystopia@lemy.lolD [email protected]

                        As someone who routinely used to sink thousands of hours into games, and by that I mean 3000 hrs. on R6-3, 2500 hrs. on Squad and so on, the predatory practices of Microsoft, Steam and game developers have just turned me off gaming completely.

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                        There are still good game publishers like CD Projekt Red and Warhorse Studios. Plus lots of open source and indie gems. Gaming is a lot more than AAA and MOBAs.

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                          I'm going to go against the grain here a bit and say that people considering a switch to Linux need to have certain expectations going into it. There are zero guarantees that anything Linux will be a "just works" operation. Especially when you get into the laptop scene and proprietary hardware.

                          Like sometimes an update will break things. Sometimes you will break things and spend time fixing it. Sometimes a piece of software and/or hardware will just not work at all and you'll try convoluted workarounds that may or may not work. Linux support is often an afterthought considering <5% of desktop users use it. Popular programs and software are often just not available at all and the FOSS alternatives lack features you may need.

                          I truly feel that Linux is like the "I own an old hotrod in my garage and work on it as a hobby" compared to "I drive a cheap commuter car and just want it to work". Yes windows breaks sometimes too, and I hate using their current operating system at work with telemetry and ads and knee-crippling limitations or random ass crashes, etc.

                          But I've also been in the position that I woke up one day and updated Garuda Linux and spent the entire day trying to not boot into a plain black screen when I had my KVM connected. I finally got my fstab working to mount my NFS share of my NAS after months of fucking with it when I feel like this is an incredibly easy "problem" that's solution should have been apparent for the last 30 years or so and in my eyes should be something the OS should just "do on its own" automatically.

                          All that being said, I still love Linux and will never use anything else on my systems. I enjoy the tweaking of things, experimenting, having all the control I could ever want.

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                          It is a bit against the grain, but also very true

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                            Adobe and ease of use

                            I need Adobe, specifically Lightroom, because there’s no alternative. I can’t just stop using it as a semi-professional photographer (I make money from it, just not a ton).

                            Darktable doesn’t handle large libraries well and also is missing features such as AI remove and integration with photoshop for splitting photos up for social media posts.

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                            Sorry but then you will have to continue living on your knees, drinking verification cans at their mercy and pray they don't alter the deal again (they will).

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                              sigh does it at least come with ranch or peanutbutter? Celery is better with one of those.

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                              Peanut butter and raisins, gotta get those ants on a log.

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                                Seriously, use Linux. What is the problem?

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                                The problem is there are a billion versions of linux, idk what one to choosex idk if i can play my steam games on linux, everyone who talks about linux seems to be a programmer /coder, and uses jargon that i don't even understand, so idk if I'll even be able to USE linux. And if I ask any questions I feel like it's all gonna end up sounsing like another language to me.

                                The whole idea of moving to linux is overwhelming.

                                But I'm starting to hate windows 11. And fuck Apple all together.

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                                  Adobe and ease of use

                                  I need Adobe, specifically Lightroom, because there’s no alternative. I can’t just stop using it as a semi-professional photographer (I make money from it, just not a ton).

                                  Darktable doesn’t handle large libraries well and also is missing features such as AI remove and integration with photoshop for splitting photos up for social media posts.

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                                  Then Apple. Their M-series are fantastic, and their support cycles are great. Also, taking marketshare from Microsoft is generally a good thing because it'll force them to make a better product.

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                                  • p_kanarinac@retrolemmy.comP [email protected]

                                    Not sure what made them not work, but this makes sense.

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                                    If it's anticheat, blame the devs, because they're specifically blocking Linux. If it's something else, maybe we can help.

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                                    • O [email protected]

                                      I'm going to go against the grain here a bit and say that people considering a switch to Linux need to have certain expectations going into it. There are zero guarantees that anything Linux will be a "just works" operation. Especially when you get into the laptop scene and proprietary hardware.

                                      Like sometimes an update will break things. Sometimes you will break things and spend time fixing it. Sometimes a piece of software and/or hardware will just not work at all and you'll try convoluted workarounds that may or may not work. Linux support is often an afterthought considering <5% of desktop users use it. Popular programs and software are often just not available at all and the FOSS alternatives lack features you may need.

                                      I truly feel that Linux is like the "I own an old hotrod in my garage and work on it as a hobby" compared to "I drive a cheap commuter car and just want it to work". Yes windows breaks sometimes too, and I hate using their current operating system at work with telemetry and ads and knee-crippling limitations or random ass crashes, etc.

                                      But I've also been in the position that I woke up one day and updated Garuda Linux and spent the entire day trying to not boot into a plain black screen when I had my KVM connected. I finally got my fstab working to mount my NFS share of my NAS after months of fucking with it when I feel like this is an incredibly easy "problem" that's solution should have been apparent for the last 30 years or so and in my eyes should be something the OS should just "do on its own" automatically.

                                      All that being said, I still love Linux and will never use anything else on my systems. I enjoy the tweaking of things, experimenting, having all the control I could ever want.

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                                      Linux is like the “I own an old hotrod in my garage and work on it as a hobby” compared to “I drive a cheap commuter car and just want it to work”

                                      Really?

                                      Linux gives you choice, sure, but it doesn't just randomly break unless you're doing something exotic.

                                      Garuda Linux

                                      There's your problem, you're using a bleeding edge distro, which is like having a hotrod.

                                      If you want a boring commuter, install a boring commuter distro, like Debian. If you want something fresher, there are a lot of options before you get to Arch-based distros, like Fedora. Stick to the most popular distros and you probably won't have problems.

                                      Don't get me wrong, Arch can be fantastic, I ran it for several years with minimal problems, but you really do need to be ready to step in and get your hands dirty.

                                      My main advice is to go in expecting to need to replace software. A lot of stuff works (e.g. discord, Steam, etc), but a lot of stuff doesn't. If you're flexible, use a mainstream distro, and stick to what's available in the repo or on flathub, it'll probably be more stable than Windows. Just don't expect your random RGB app or whatever to work, and be ready to swap some POS hardware if the manufacturer doesn't support Linux (e.g. certain WiFi vendors that aren't Intel).

                                      Also, don't expect Linux to make things faster, you're still limited by your hardware. But do expect common tasks to work well.

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                                        It’s online corps offload computers but there will be a delay and many will just have the extended windows 10 supports. So I’d give it another year.

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                                        Good time to start looking for a good deal on cheap home lab crap though.

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                                          Yes. The totaly real PC trade-in market...

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                                          At best, I've seen a small discount and whatever is traded in is junked to keep it off the second-hand market.

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