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More than 50,000 killed in Gaza, Hamas-run health ministry says

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  • samskara@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

    BBC is accused by Zionists all the time to be biased against them.

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    And as we know, every Israeli accusation is a confession.

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      Hamas has proven more reliable than the IDF.

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      While they are trying to pretend Hamas is a one terrorist thing, in reality it’s an organized resistance group. They have diplomat, ministers, and army, since they are on their own. The health ministry worker have to be working under hamas because hamas won the election which make sense if you look at PLO horrible history of corruption in west bank.

      These colonization news aim to pretend the number are not accurate. But the fact is this is confirm dead, ignoring missing people or those under rebel.

      If a peace talk continue, there will be push for more war crime investigation and the accurate number will show up. which for a state that shows they are a save heaven for jew and pedo, and tax evading corp might not be good.

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      • samskara@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

        Why is it nonsense? Hamas has been the government in Gaza for twenty years and ran a pretty authoritarian and harsh regime. There are no institutions in Gaza run against the will of Hamas.

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        I'm enjoying how the obvious rebuttal to this stupid propaganda talking point is now so widespread I don't have to say it anymore.

        Bibi has been the head of the government in Israel for twenty something years and ran a pretty rightwing and harsh genocidal apartheid regime.

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          You can look it up, but short of it is that the Gaza Health Ministry's casualty numbers are very accurate and have been used by pretty much everyone since 2007, including Israel. Whenever the UN tries to count independently their numbers match up with Ministry numbers. If anything the Ministry's numbers are an undercount because they're only people who have been confirmed as directly killed by the IDF by a doctor in a hospital. People who simply weren't counted for whatever reason (usually because Israel destroyed all hospitals in the area), as well as people who starve or die to disease, are not included. This is, by the way, why estimations of the true casualty number by are always more than the official number and never less.

          There are no institutions in Gaza run against the will of Hamas.

          It seems the will of Hamas is to have rock-solid casualty numbers that even the most rabidly Zionist can't criticize, because if there was even a small overestimation (let alone fabrication) anywhere Israel would use that to discredit the casualty numbers and Zionists in the West will lap it up. I mean they tried anyway, but because the methodology leaves no room for criticism they got shut down pretty quickly.

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          Yes, their numbers are the best available.

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          • samskara@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

            That estimate has turned out to be wrong.

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            Idk, this doesn't sound like distancing tbh

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            • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlG [email protected]

              And as we know, every Israeli accusation is a confession.

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              The BBC reports things both sides find inconvenient for their narrative.

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                In November, the UN Human Rights Office said its analysis showed close to 70% of verified victims over a six-month period were women and children
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                We should just be doing the same with Israeli headlines "Genocidal warmongers claim X"

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                • samskara@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

                  The BBC reports things both sides find inconvenient for their narrative.

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                  That must be why more than BBC staff members notice the overwhelming pro-Israel bias.

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                  • samskara@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

                    Why is it nonsense? Hamas has been the government in Gaza for twenty years and ran a pretty authoritarian and harsh regime. There are no institutions in Gaza run against the will of Hamas.

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                    Gaza has been a concentration camp under Israeli occupation for the last 20 years

                    ::: spoiler De-development via the Gaza Occupation

                    Between July 1971 and February 1972, Sharon enjoyed considerable success. During this time, the entire Strip (apart from the Rafah area) was sealed off by a ring of security fences 53 miles in length, with few entrypoints. Today, their effects live on: there are only three points of entry to Gaza—Erez, Nahal Oz, and Rafah.

                    Perhaps the most dramatic and painful aspect of Sharon’s campaign was the widening of roads in the refugee camps to facilitate military access. Israel built nearly 200 miles of security roads and destroyed thousands of refugee dwellings as part of the widening process.' In August 1971, for example, the Israeli army destroyed 7,729 rooms (approximately 2,000 houses) in three vola- tile camps, displacing 15,855 refugees: 7,217 from Jabalya, 4,836 from Shati, and 3,802 from Rafah.

                    • Page 105

                    Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986.

                    • page 240

                    In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60% over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50% decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (combined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million.

                    • Page 402

                    • The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy

                    :::

                    ::: spoiler Blockade, including Aid

                    Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.

                    After the 'disengagement' in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of 'dual-use' Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted.

                    • Gaza Policy Forum summary: Experts agree that Israel’s dual-use policy causes acute distress

                    The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shortages of housing, potable water and electricity, and lack of access to essential medicines and medical care, food, educational equipment and building materials.

                    • Amnesty International Report pg 26-27

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                    • samskara@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

                      Yes, their numbers are the best available.

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                      Israel has bombed every hospital in Gaza, it's no surprise that it's becoming increasingly impossible to count the dead. Direct deaths refer to those killed by ammunition and bombs, indirect deaths are still entirely due to the genocide. Israel's targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure is deliberate and systemic.

                      ::: spoiler Human Shields

                      Hamas:

                      • HRW on Laws-of-War Violations 2009

                      • Agency Demands Full Respect for the Sanctity of Its Premises in Gaza - July 2014

                      • HRW - Palestinian Armed Groups’ October 7 Assault on Israel

                      Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.

                      Israel:

                      • Israel/OPT: Israeli attacks targeting Hamas and other armed group fighters that killed scores of displaced civilians in Rafah should be investigated as war crimes

                      • HRW - Gaza: Unlawful Israeli Hospital Strikes Worsen Health Crisis

                      Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields:

                      • IDF uses Human Shields,

                      • Including Children (2013 Report)

                      • Israel “Systematically” Uses Gaza Children as Human Shields, Rights Group Finds 2024

                      • Breaking The Silence - Testimonies from IDF Veterans

                      :::

                      ::: spoiler Deliberate Attacks on Civilians

                      Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:

                      • The Dahiya Doctrine & Israel’s Use of Disproportionate Force

                      • ‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza

                      • Lavender

                      • Where's Daddy

                      Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.

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                        In November, the UN Human Rights Office said its analysis showed close to 70% of verified victims over a six-month period were women and children
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                        Again, 2nd warning, we don't allow editorialized headlines, please revert it or we'll have to remove it.

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                        • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                          Again, 2nd warning, we don't allow editorialized headlines, please revert it or we'll have to remove it.

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                          remove it

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