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Kremlin targeting app at heart of White House group chat leaks

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    Witkoff in Moscow when added to chat?

    https://bsky.app/profile/olgalautman.bsky.social/post/3ll663snbc224

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      Uh, no shit. State backed espionage groups are targeting the communications channels used by their primary targets. What are you going to tell me next? That water is wet and fire is hot? If the US government started using IP over Avian Carrier ((EFC1149)[https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1149]) you can bet that the GRU would start up a program to intercept the carriers.

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      IPoAC. The ping is pretty slow, but the bandwidth is incredible

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        Uh, no shit. State backed espionage groups are targeting the communications channels used by their primary targets. What are you going to tell me next? That water is wet and fire is hot? If the US government started using IP over Avian Carrier ((EFC1149)[https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1149]) you can bet that the GRU would start up a program to intercept the carriers.

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        It's not a surprise Russia and friends are attacking the platform; it's surprising the Whitehouse is using it for official communications. (or at least it would be, if the WH wasn't occupied by nazi tech bros...)

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          IPoAC. The ping is pretty slow, but the bandwidth is incredible

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          🤔 I wonder how much data a single bird could feasibly carry. Quite a bit more than when this standard was first thought up I'm sure. You can get some incredibly high capacity sd cards now.

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            It’s ok. The US government decided Russia isn’t a cyberthreat anymore.

            https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-russia-hacking-cyber-security

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              To be honest, I'm surprised they didn't use telegram.

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                It’s ok. The US government decided Russia isn’t a cyberthreat anymore.

                https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-russia-hacking-cyber-security

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                It could also be someone sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds

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                  🤔 I wonder how much data a single bird could feasibly carry. Quite a bit more than when this standard was first thought up I'm sure. You can get some incredibly high capacity sd cards now.

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                  Pretty much every time there have been head to head competitions between birds and wires, the birds have won.

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                    🤔 I wonder how much data a single bird could feasibly carry. Quite a bit more than when this standard was first thought up I'm sure. You can get some incredibly high capacity sd cards now.

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                    African or European swallow?

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                      Even if they do get access to the chat logs, good luck brute forcing those encryption keys Putin!

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                      Wasn’t there a hacker group some years ago that released Signal binaries with backdoors that allowed attackers to read decrypted messages?

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                        It's not a surprise Russia and friends are attacking the platform; it's surprising the Whitehouse is using it for official communications. (or at least it would be, if the WH wasn't occupied by nazi tech bros...)

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                        It's a pretty good endorsement of the app!

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                          Even if they do get access to the chat logs, good luck brute forcing those encryption keys Putin!

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                          Well, he just needs to get them to accidentally add his spy to their group chat. How hard can it be?

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                            It's not a surprise Russia and friends are attacking the platform; it's surprising the Whitehouse is using it for official communications. (or at least it would be, if the WH wasn't occupied by nazi tech bros...)

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                            Additionally, they're likely using it on their personal, insecure phones, on insecure networks.

                            There's whole layers of security being bypassed here.

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                              Even if they do get access to the chat logs, good luck brute forcing those encryption keys Putin!

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                              I can think of easier ways of compromising the data besides brute forcing the keys, off the top of my head, and I'm just some schmuck.

                              1. Compromise their endpoint with a malicious app on the app store.

                              2. Gain physical access to the device and compromise it. Use your imagination – pickpocket, traffic stop or customs inspection by a compromised agent, seduce them with a honeypot, etc.

                              3. Socially engineer them to mistakingly add you to their group chats.

                              4. SIM swap

                              Signal might be fine for journalists, criminals, cheating spouses, and general privacy when used properly with good OpSec but nation state adversaries have significantly greater resources than your average attacker, and thus require more significant security.

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                                As of March 2023, Pegasus operators were able to remotely install the spyware on iOS versions through 16.0.3 using a zero-click exploit. While the capabilities of Pegasus may vary over time due to software updates, Pegasus is generally capable of reading text messages, call snooping, collecting passwords, location tracking, accessing the target device's microphone and camera, and harvesting information from apps.

                                This is consumer grade spyware built by Israeli intelligence and loaned out to just about everyone. Governments use this to hunt down activists and opposition party members.

                                This Signal leak is one hole in the colander. Sure, water will leak through that hole. But water will also leak through all the other holes. And the countries collecting that water have more than what NSO Group contracts out.

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                                  It's a pretty good endorsement of the app!

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                                  Honestly, yeah. IIRC, the Swedish military also advised using it.

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                                    Pretty much every time there have been head to head competitions between birds and wires, the birds have won.

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                                    Yeah, it's not the bandwidth that's the problem, it's the ping.

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                                      🤔 I wonder how much data a single bird could feasibly carry. Quite a bit more than when this standard was first thought up I'm sure. You can get some incredibly high capacity sd cards now.

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                                      I wonder how much data a single bird could feasibly carry

                                      Considering 1TB SD cards exist, I imagine it's quite a lot.

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                                        Pretty much every time there have been head to head competitions between birds and wires, the birds have won.

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                                        The birds stand on the wires to mock their inferior bandwidth

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                                          These boomers think Signal is safe because they use the word encrypted.

                                          Can we please vote these clowns out and get some adults back in government?

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