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  • K [email protected]

    So your "fighting fascists" fight is simply to vote for one of their manufactured war crimes choices both of which demanded you personally be accountable for assisting in murder?

    Fascism lite is still fascism. Killing fewer people is still killing, and its wildly illegal and immoral, full stop.

    Harris's platform was wildly illegal and immoral. So was trumps. I'm not about to be nagged or threatened into giving my vote to either of those camps.

    If that means the country burns itself down then thats fine, we just get a chance to get to the endgame faster where we build it back up to something better. There was nothing down the road of siding with Harris except more zionist puppeteering, and training you all to be nazi prison guards while you deal with the cognitive dissonance of Harris continuing the genocide after you had a hand in getting her in office.

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    So your anti-genocide "vote" of "not voting" was to be accellerationist and to maximize casualties? My vote means that I'm immoral and your inaction means you're some saint? Right. Gotcha.

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    • K [email protected]

      So your "fighting fascists" fight is simply to vote for one of their manufactured war crimes choices both of which demanded you personally be accountable for assisting in murder?

      Fascism lite is still fascism. Killing fewer people is still killing, and its wildly illegal and immoral, full stop.

      Harris's platform was wildly illegal and immoral. So was trumps. I'm not about to be nagged or threatened into giving my vote to either of those camps.

      If that means the country burns itself down then thats fine, we just get a chance to get to the endgame faster where we build it back up to something better. There was nothing down the road of siding with Harris except more zionist puppeteering, and training you all to be nazi prison guards while you deal with the cognitive dissonance of Harris continuing the genocide after you had a hand in getting her in office.

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      Every month from becoming the nominee until the election Harris campaigned on a cease fire, hostage release, and a two state solution.

      These are not "wildly illegal" or genocidal statements. You just refused to see it. Now we have Trump who wants to clear everyone from Gaza for hotels and golf courses. Good jorb!

      July:
      https://www.the-independent.com/tv/news/kamala-harris-says-two-state-solution-is-the-only-path-after-meeting-with-netanyahu-b2586161.html

      August:
      https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html

      September:
      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-harris-says-two-state-solution-end-of-israel-hamas-war-is-crucial

      October:
      https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/harris-dodges-direct-question-on-palestinian-deaths-calls-for-2-state-solution-during-cnn-town-hall/3372480

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      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

        Every month from becoming the nominee until the election Harris campaigned on a cease fire, hostage release, and a two state solution.

        These are not "wildly illegal" or genocidal statements. You just refused to see it. Now we have Trump who wants to clear everyone from Gaza for hotels and golf courses. Good jorb!

        July:
        https://www.the-independent.com/tv/news/kamala-harris-says-two-state-solution-is-the-only-path-after-meeting-with-netanyahu-b2586161.html

        August:
        https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html

        September:
        https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-harris-says-two-state-solution-end-of-israel-hamas-war-is-crucial

        October:
        https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/harris-dodges-direct-question-on-palestinian-deaths-calls-for-2-state-solution-during-cnn-town-hall/3372480

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        #39

        Actions speak louder than words.

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        • S [email protected]

          Ohh, so you’re an accelerationist! Now your comments make sense. Well, except the one claiming you’re anti-genocide, but the rest make sense. Kinda.

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          If our system requires blood to keep functioning then it needs to be smashed and recreated. You'd have it just continue. Although your desire to limp it along kinda makes a sad sort of sense, if you ignore your own hand in keeping it going.

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          • K [email protected]

            Actions speak louder than words.

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            As a Presidential Candidate, legally, she could take no actions unless she won the election.

            She told you, REPEATEDLY, what she would do:

            Cease fire, hostage release, two state solution.

            You call that "genocide".

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            • K [email protected]

              If our system requires blood to keep functioning then it needs to be smashed and recreated. You'd have it just continue. Although your desire to limp it along kinda makes a sad sort of sense, if you ignore your own hand in keeping it going.

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              #42

              “This whole system needs to be smashed and recreated, it’s fine if the country burns itself down”

              “Btw you’re the one with blood on your hands, I definitely think basic human rights aren’t negotiable”

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              • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                As a Presidential Candidate, legally, she could take no actions unless she won the election.

                She told you, REPEATEDLY, what she would do:

                Cease fire, hostage release, two state solution.

                You call that "genocide".

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                #43

                Jordan,
                No one believed her and they had ample reason to doubt her honesty in this regard. She was not some sort of secret human rights advocate. Neither was Joe Biden.

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                • K [email protected]

                  Jordan,
                  No one believed her and they had ample reason to doubt her honesty in this regard. She was not some sort of secret human rights advocate. Neither was Joe Biden.

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                  #44

                  Whether you BELIEVE her or not is irrelevant. Her stated policy was NOT in support of genocide, on the record, repeatedly.

                  You can't blame someone for supporting a genocide when they repeatedly tell you they aren't.

                  "Well, I don't believe you." Yeah and people don't believe we landed on the moon either. That's a problem with the thought process, not the person making the statement.

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                  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                    Whether you BELIEVE her or not is irrelevant. Her stated policy was NOT in support of genocide, on the record, repeatedly.

                    You can't blame someone for supporting a genocide when they repeatedly tell you they aren't.

                    "Well, I don't believe you." Yeah and people don't believe we landed on the moon either. That's a problem with the thought process, not the person making the statement.

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                    #45

                    And Joe Bidens stated policy was not in support of genocide either, was it. Because the laws dont care if a candidate supports it or not, its explicitly illegal. Biden got around that by claiming no genocide was occurring.

                    Harris also said she couldnt think of anything she'd change from Bidens policies.

                    And then when asked what about the genocide at a rally she said she believes in the protestors right to speak and said the war is real, but didnt say the genocide was. And then when asked again she said "I'm talking" and shut the person down. Sh always responded with a template which starts with, "I beleive Israel has a right to defend itself" and then she never said if a genocide was occurring, linking every abuse to "defense", right out of the zionist marketing playbook.

                    This is your promise of action, huh. This is your proof she was going to do stuff different?

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                    • K [email protected]

                      And Joe Bidens stated policy was not in support of genocide either, was it. Because the laws dont care if a candidate supports it or not, its explicitly illegal. Biden got around that by claiming no genocide was occurring.

                      Harris also said she couldnt think of anything she'd change from Bidens policies.

                      And then when asked what about the genocide at a rally she said she believes in the protestors right to speak and said the war is real, but didnt say the genocide was. And then when asked again she said "I'm talking" and shut the person down. Sh always responded with a template which starts with, "I beleive Israel has a right to defend itself" and then she never said if a genocide was occurring, linking every abuse to "defense", right out of the zionist marketing playbook.

                      This is your promise of action, huh. This is your proof she was going to do stuff different?

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                      #46

                      Biden also was calling for a cease fire, and a hostage release, not genocide. Again, that was Trump and his "finish it fast" statements.

                      March, 2024:

                      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/21/us-calls-for-immediate-ceasefire-in-gaza-with-draft-un-resolution

                      We also know now, her campaign was being directly hamstrung by Biden as well:

                      https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5191087-harris-trump-biden-harris/

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