Canada PM Mark Carney says old relationship with US 'is over'
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A fact that nobody who voted that way could have possibly known ahead of time.
I'd imagine people in democratic strongholds knew their votes weren't going to make a difference for their state, within a confidence interval.
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From Europe, I see the republicans as a stick and the democrats as a carrot.
You are angry because people refused to vote against the stick, and I understand why, it makes sense.
At the same time, it's easy to understand that there are people against the carrot&stick system, and I wouldn't consider them useless idiots for not voting for the carrot.
Also, the carrot is fucking stale.I consider enabling the "stick" to be beat the fuck out of you just because you're "not into carrots" to be objectively stupid. I'm a Euro transplant and I can't see how it is less stupid from a European perspective. The saddest part is that my wife and I have recession-proof professions, people who got us into this situation don't.
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I consider enabling the "stick" to be beat the fuck out of you just because you're "not into carrots" to be objectively stupid. I'm a Euro transplant and I can't see how it is less stupid from a European perspective. The saddest part is that my wife and I have recession-proof professions, people who got us into this situation don't.
Every time you consider that not holding your opinion is "objectively stupid" you should stop a moment to reflect what those words mean.
Your subjective opinion is that the democrats are the only viable alternative to Trump and so everyone must support them because the alternative is worse.
It is a valid opinion, but it is not by far an objective truth.
Another subjective opinion is that the entire bipartisan system is a single entity focused on maintaining the status quo, and that real change is not possible by voting democrat (or even by voting at all).
It is objectively true that any effort towards strengthening the democrats is not spent elsewhere, and it is also an objective truth that there have been multiple democrat presidents in the last few decades and have been unable or unwilling to effect change to a degree that satisfies leftist voters.
My European perspective is that defending corporate right as an alternative to fascism is an acceptable emergency measure while there are big credible efforts for large scale reforms to at least have a real left voting option, but it's not by far a solution to the problem.
Maybe instead of calling "useless idiots" all those who didn't vote for trump, your energy might be better spent trying to build a common platform with them, at least if you want them to vote on the next election.
And if you want that common platform to be the democrats, they will have to change a lot. -
There were also 90 million non-voters.
Unfortunately, most of them are not the leftists mentioned at the top of this thread.
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Ah yes I’m the traitor, not the liberals who go out of their way to attack law abiding citizens by taking their property.
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Ah yes I’m the traitor, not the liberals who go out of their way to attack law abiding citizens by taking their property.
Except liberals don't go out of their way to attach law abiding citizens by taking their property? Wanting Pierre to be elected so you can have moar guns is a stupid reason to elect him. I too have firearms and I'm not stupid enough to vote for pp
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Seems pretty awesome.
Sure if you want canada to end up like the us
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Except liberals don't go out of their way to attach law abiding citizens by taking their property? Wanting Pierre to be elected so you can have moar guns is a stupid reason to elect him. I too have firearms and I'm not stupid enough to vote for pp
Except liberals don't go out of their way to attach law abiding citizens by taking their property?
How can you be a PAL/RPAL holder and even say that? We’ve all gone through the process of obtaining our licenses and you of all people should know that we aren’t the ones contributing to the increase in firearm related crime.
So yes, they are attacking law abiding citizens.
Wanting Pierre to be elected so you can have moar guns is a stupid reason to elect him.
Simply put it, it’s the precedent. We shouldn’t have to fear our government taking our property whatsoever.
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Sure if you want canada to end up like the us
Canada needs to do some things like the US, there’s no getting around it.
Getting more resources out of the ground, across the country, and to trade partners is critical. It always has been, and the liberals have opposed this for decades.
The things Mark has done so far that people seem to like are mostly things the opposition has been saying for several years.
Interprovincial trade barriers? Gone. Pipeline across the country? Probably will not happen with the liberals. Carbon Tax? Well, it’s being hidden somewhere else. I could go on.
There’s no reason the think the last ten years of complete stagnation, scandals and lies will not continue especially given a majority of the party remains the same.
I’m more concerned about Carneys global elitist buddy’s at WEF and blackrock then I am about anything Pierre has talked about.
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Canada needs to do some things like the US, there’s no getting around it.
Getting more resources out of the ground, across the country, and to trade partners is critical. It always has been, and the liberals have opposed this for decades.
The things Mark has done so far that people seem to like are mostly things the opposition has been saying for several years.
Interprovincial trade barriers? Gone. Pipeline across the country? Probably will not happen with the liberals. Carbon Tax? Well, it’s being hidden somewhere else. I could go on.
There’s no reason the think the last ten years of complete stagnation, scandals and lies will not continue especially given a majority of the party remains the same.
I’m more concerned about Carneys global elitist buddy’s at WEF and blackrock then I am about anything Pierre has talked about.
No, we don't need to do like the us. Unless you want fascist. Getting rid of interprovincial trade barriers is good. Pipeline across the country? Not great. The carbon tax was good. The last 10 years weren't complete stagnation, scandals and lies, at least not more than harpers reign. I'm more concerned about Pierre's association and trumpism than carneys WEF contacts
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Except liberals don't go out of their way to attach law abiding citizens by taking their property?
How can you be a PAL/RPAL holder and even say that? We’ve all gone through the process of obtaining our licenses and you of all people should know that we aren’t the ones contributing to the increase in firearm related crime.
So yes, they are attacking law abiding citizens.
Wanting Pierre to be elected so you can have moar guns is a stupid reason to elect him.
Simply put it, it’s the precedent. We shouldn’t have to fear our government taking our property whatsoever.
How can you be a PAL/RPAL holder and even say that? We’ve all gone through the legal process of obtaining our licenses and endure the daily background checks, you of all people should know that we aren’t the ones contributing to the vast increase in firearm related crime.
Because guns aren't a right, they are a privilege, being a law abiding citizen in this regard means....... abiding by the laws? Which mean following the laws? I don't like the way it was done. I know we don't contribute to crimes but whatever, I'm not under attack, neither are you. Voting for Pierre just for guns is stupid
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Every time you consider that not holding your opinion is "objectively stupid" you should stop a moment to reflect what those words mean.
Your subjective opinion is that the democrats are the only viable alternative to Trump and so everyone must support them because the alternative is worse.
It is a valid opinion, but it is not by far an objective truth.
Another subjective opinion is that the entire bipartisan system is a single entity focused on maintaining the status quo, and that real change is not possible by voting democrat (or even by voting at all).
It is objectively true that any effort towards strengthening the democrats is not spent elsewhere, and it is also an objective truth that there have been multiple democrat presidents in the last few decades and have been unable or unwilling to effect change to a degree that satisfies leftist voters.
My European perspective is that defending corporate right as an alternative to fascism is an acceptable emergency measure while there are big credible efforts for large scale reforms to at least have a real left voting option, but it's not by far a solution to the problem.
Maybe instead of calling "useless idiots" all those who didn't vote for trump, your energy might be better spent trying to build a common platform with them, at least if you want them to vote on the next election.
And if you want that common platform to be the democrats, they will have to change a lot.Every time you consider that not holding your opinion is “objectively stupid” you should stop a moment to reflect what those words mean.
Thanks, but I'm past elementary school and not here to explain the difference between calling out a direct opposition between stated goals and actual actions, vs "my opinion is the only objective truth".
Your whole post is incredibly naive.
My European perspective is that defending corporate right as an alternative to fascism is an acceptable emergency measure while there are big credible efforts for large scale reforms to at least have a real left voting option, but it’s not by far a solution to the problem.
And if you want that common platform to be the democrats, they will have to change a lot.Like centuries of bipartisanism will be magically turned into a Euro-style multiparty coalition system in 3.8 years.
It's just fucking absurd that people can be beat up and tortured physically and psychologically but I'm being asked to be less mean because it will hurt feewing.
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ok so thats cool and all but how do we join? washington oregon california want in
You aren't like us and we don't want you, harsh but for the best
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No, we don't need to do like the us. Unless you want fascist. Getting rid of interprovincial trade barriers is good. Pipeline across the country? Not great. The carbon tax was good. The last 10 years weren't complete stagnation, scandals and lies, at least not more than harpers reign. I'm more concerned about Pierre's association and trumpism than carneys WEF contacts
Pipeline across the country is great and very necessary. It absolutely has been stagnation and scandals and lies. Election reform? Arivecan? The “other” Randy? Unhinged spending? Going hard left and attacking peoples rights, attacking unions, ect.
People thinking Pierre is somehow like trump because he uses trump effective self marketing tactics need to accept that - as petty as it seems - it works.
https://www.nbc.ca/content/dam/bnc/taux-analyses/analyse-eco/mkt-view/market_view_240429.pdf
Canada has been left behind, and it’s our own fault.
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Pipeline across the country is great and very necessary. It absolutely has been stagnation and scandals and lies. Election reform? Arivecan? The “other” Randy? Unhinged spending? Going hard left and attacking peoples rights, attacking unions, ect.
People thinking Pierre is somehow like trump because he uses trump effective self marketing tactics need to accept that - as petty as it seems - it works.
https://www.nbc.ca/content/dam/bnc/taux-analyses/analyse-eco/mkt-view/market_view_240429.pdf
Canada has been left behind, and it’s our own fault.
Pipeline across the country is great and very necessary. It absolutely has been stagnation and scandals and lies
No
Election reform?
Yes that part sucked.
Unhinged spending? Going hard left and attacking peoples rights, attacking unions, ect.
....what? Unhinged spending? How? "Hard left"? No... what rights were attacked?
You’re worried about fascism, but support a government that was forcing you to get a vaccination. (Not that its vaccines are bad in any way shape or form). Which is entirely against your rights.
Who was forced? Literally NO one was forced.
People thinking Pierre is somehow like trump because he uses trumps effective self marketing tactics, need to accept that - as petty as it seems - it works.
They aren't and it doesn't
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Pipeline across the country is great and very necessary. It absolutely has been stagnation and scandals and lies
No
Election reform?
Yes that part sucked.
Unhinged spending? Going hard left and attacking peoples rights, attacking unions, ect.
....what? Unhinged spending? How? "Hard left"? No... what rights were attacked?
You’re worried about fascism, but support a government that was forcing you to get a vaccination. (Not that its vaccines are bad in any way shape or form). Which is entirely against your rights.
Who was forced? Literally NO one was forced.
People thinking Pierre is somehow like trump because he uses trumps effective self marketing tactics, need to accept that - as petty as it seems - it works.
They aren't and it doesn't
Yes. Pipelines are coming. Mining is coming. 17 years for a permit is ending.
You were forced indirectly and you know it. Don’t want to get a vaccine? Good luck at the border, good luck going to the movies, good luck going to school.
Dude, the liberals spent more money in the last 10 years than every other PM combined. You explain how that’s not unhinged.
Canada and Europe can be closer with trading. Sure, why not. Seems great, it does nothing to create growth in our country if we don’t have things to sell. How much money, jobs, stability would be created just with ontarios ring of fire alone?
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Just like I have nothing against Chinese or Russian citizens, I hope others will be able to separate us from our fascist government.
Unfortunately the tools of statecraft aren't all that granular. To make the Trump regime suffer, many Americans will suffer even if they don't support Trump.
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ok so thats cool and all but how do we join? washington oregon california want in
Step one is to secede from the US. You aren't actually going to be part of Canada, but an EU style arrangement in North America could happen.
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Yes. Pipelines are coming. Mining is coming. 17 years for a permit is ending.
You were forced indirectly and you know it. Don’t want to get a vaccine? Good luck at the border, good luck going to the movies, good luck going to school.
Dude, the liberals spent more money in the last 10 years than every other PM combined. You explain how that’s not unhinged.
Canada and Europe can be closer with trading. Sure, why not. Seems great, it does nothing to create growth in our country if we don’t have things to sell. How much money, jobs, stability would be created just with ontarios ring of fire alone?
You need better news sources. No one was being forced.
I've addressed the gun thing before. If you're law abiding abide by the laws.
Safe injection sites aren't dangerous and they work. Drug addition is a mental health issue, making it safer helps to get them to stop.
The pandemic cost a lot of money
You mean how he was lowering debt to gdp until the pandemic hit?
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Yes. Pipelines are coming. Mining is coming. 17 years for a permit is ending.
You were forced indirectly and you know it. Don’t want to get a vaccine? Good luck at the border, good luck going to the movies, good luck going to school.
Dude, the liberals spent more money in the last 10 years than every other PM combined. You explain how that’s not unhinged.
Canada and Europe can be closer with trading. Sure, why not. Seems great, it does nothing to create growth in our country if we don’t have things to sell. How much money, jobs, stability would be created just with ontarios ring of fire alone?
I read this entire thread and you sound almost like a MAGA from down here. Are you sure you didn't take a wrong turn on the way to r/conservative?
My bingo card:
️ The guvment is too far left and censoring us- ️ My guns are being taken away by the libs
- ️ Drill baby, drill
- ️ Forced vaccinations are real and against my rights
️ A red MAGA hat- ️ The other guy will fix "the economy"
- ️ Bring manufacturing back here
- ️ Illegal immigrants are the problem
- ️ "I like him because he tells it as it is"
- ️ The incumbent rigged the election
Being against providing a safe space for drug addicts is a new one, though. If they're going to shoot up regardless, isn't it better that their biohazardous needles are disposed of safely and not in a park?
