LibreOffice downloads on the rise as users look to avoid subscription costs | The free open-source Microsoft Office alternative is being downloaded by nearly 1 million users a week
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Interest in LibreOffice, the open-source alternative to Microsoft Office, is on the rise, with weekly downloads of its software package close to 1 million a week. That’s the highest download number since 2023.
“We estimate around 200 million [LibreOffice] users, but it’s important to note that we respect users’ privacy and don’t track them, so we can’t say for sure,” said Mike Saunders, an open-source advocate and a deputy to the board of directors at The Document Foundation.
LibreOffice users typically want a straightforward interface, Saunders said. “They don’t want subscriptions, and they don’t want AI being ‘helpful’ by poking its nose into their work — it reminds them of Clippy from the bad old days,” he said.
There are genuine use cases for generative AI tools, but many users prefer to opt-in to it and choose when and where to enable it. “We have zero plans to put AI into LibreOffice. But we understand the value of some AI tools and are encouraging developers to create … extensions that use AI in a responsible way,” Saunders said.
Obligatory comment that endorses pirating software. We need to make sure this stereotype about Lemmy remains accurate.
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As someone who has taught many children how to use excel, the new AI features make using it easier but teaching and learning harder. A lot of stuff now happens automagically, and that makes it harder to see the reasons and structures and language of how it is meant to work. So doing basic stuff is now trivially easy, but learning to become competent enough to do more creative and advanced stuff is more difficult.
A lot of stuff now happens automagically
Nothing happens automagically. You need to specifically ask Copilot to do something.
makes it harder to see the reasons and structures and language of how it is meant to work
This I also don't fully agree with. Like I mentioned, Copilot won't automatically place formulas everywhere - it just designs them but you need to copy-paste them into the appropriate spots.
So, yeah, you're not writing the formulas, but it's not like the whole thing just magically appears.
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I was reading about this solution. My main laptop is a MacBook Air with M2 so I don't think I can run any version of Linux on it. I have an old windows laptop I'm thinking about trying it on.
Would Linux still run fine on an older laptop?
Lots of Linux distributions are specifically built for older laptops! And all of them tend to run pretty well on lower end equipment. Here's a list that also mentions the specs needed for each one: https://linuxsimply.com/best-linux-distros-for-old-laptops/
Linux Mint, probably the most popular one on all computers nowadays regardless of specs, has a minimum RAM requirement of 2GB with 4GB recommended
they make Linux distros for old tiny Raspberry Pi computers so even if your computer is a hundred years old you'll probably be able to run TinyCore on it at least -
So cool! So you basically kept windows in one part of your machine and ran pop os on the rest? Really cool idea!
Yeah!! I haven't had any trouble with it yet, my laptop has only one SSD slot which is why I did it on the same one. I just switch when I boot up. I have the Windows one just in case I can't get a game to run and to access my work's shared drive (absolutely cannot figure it out on Linux lol)
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No matter who you ask, it still seems like everyone fucking hates it. I never heard a single good word about teams and still its one of the most widely used conference softwares.
We have to do all of our calls on Teams because we work with participants and it's a bit more secure than Zoom (which can have people straight up bombing your call for funsies). And if we're already using it for that, idea is we may as well use it as a shared drive too. An ugly and buggy one.
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Hi, I hope you don't mind me asking how you achieved this, my father is 79 and has Parkinsons with hearing problems, he's deaf in one ear and partially in other ear, so he has personality issues, really can be stubborn and difficult to deal with, been having trouble getting him away from Microsoft products like Windows or Office, any ideas or advice be really helpful and appreciated, ty
Well, I guess there is no universal answer and it obviously can’t be some generic method of achieving this,but what I did was to explain in detail how MsOffice is basically just a standard because people made it so out of convenience and lack of true alternatives and it’s not cheap, plus whatever is made freely available by a corporation means it’s actually you paying with your data for it.
It’s a process and you’d have to convince him to at least allow you to show them side by side or explain how it’s always up to date and you don’t have to throw money at it every x years just because it’s called MsOffice202x, because the benefits of upgrading are not worth the money.
It ain’t easy, I know… but I am also providing support myself when requested, which can become a headache fast, especially with “difficult” people.
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For me it was docx. Oo couldn't get the formatting right but libre could. This was back when docx was new and i was in school ao the teachers didn't take off for strange lines or bad formatting.
Fair, open office still hates .docx lol
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For the past like decade the only "updates" OpenOffice has been getting are questionable code comment changes from one dude. These changes literally do nothing, and people have suggested that the only reason he does it is to make OpenOffice seem like it's still being developed, even though it was abandoned long ago.
Why? IDK, but I think it's just some stubborn asshole with an axe to grind with the LibreOffice project. OpenOffice still has stronger name recognition than LibreOffice, so a lot of people still use it.
Lol is it really just like
// I did something, trust me
And he pushes it out lmao?
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Lol is it really just like
// I did something, trust me
And he pushes it out lmao?
Pretty much: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commits/trunk/
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It's widely regarded as the gold standard for secure communications.
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FOSS software will win eventually. It may take time, but if good FOSS software is being built by enthusiasts then a time will come where proprietary software fucks up. And when it does, FOSS is ready to take it's place. And as soon as FOSS has become a standard in some field, why would there ever be a need to go back to proprietary?
if good FOSS software is being built by enthusiasts
LibreOffice is forked long ago from the extremely corporate OpenOffice effort, which in turn originated from the non-open-source Star Office. Not all FOSS comes from enthusiasts.
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if good FOSS software is being built by enthusiasts
LibreOffice is forked long ago from the extremely corporate OpenOffice effort, which in turn originated from the non-open-source Star Office. Not all FOSS comes from enthusiasts.
LibreOffice is forked long ago from the extremely corporate OpenOffice effort, which in turn originated from the non-open-source Star Office. Not all FOSS comes from enthusiasts.
That's a fair point. I would also be very much in favor of governments subsidizing certain FOSS projects. There's a lot of work to be done, and people certainly deserve to be paid for it too.
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It was discontinued in 2011. Anything that is out there today is outdated at best, and malicious at worst.
.. so it is precisely the software they heard about in 2010
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Well, I guess there is no universal answer and it obviously can’t be some generic method of achieving this,but what I did was to explain in detail how MsOffice is basically just a standard because people made it so out of convenience and lack of true alternatives and it’s not cheap, plus whatever is made freely available by a corporation means it’s actually you paying with your data for it.
It’s a process and you’d have to convince him to at least allow you to show them side by side or explain how it’s always up to date and you don’t have to throw money at it every x years just because it’s called MsOffice202x, because the benefits of upgrading are not worth the money.
It ain’t easy, I know… but I am also providing support myself when requested, which can become a headache fast, especially with “difficult” people.
Thanks for your reply, some very good advice which has given me some ideas, was thinking of combining this with either upgrades for his current computer or maybe a new system, hopefully I can get around his stubborn side, with is old phone I took it and replaced with a new one so he had no choice...lol....maybe is time to do something similar with his computer XD
His current computer is HP AIO, has Intel Pentium J3710 cpu, 4Gb of DDR3L-1600 ram and 1Tb eco/green Toshiba hdd, so became really sluggish with Windows, I got a bit more out of it recently but still slow, had to rip out Edge browser files/folders as it was pegging the hdd to 100%.....gah....I hate Windows, he doesn't use Edge or Outlook, always Firefox and Thunderbird, should make moving to Linux easier through
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Hi, I hope you don't mind me asking how you achieved this, my father is 79 and has Parkinsons with hearing problems, he's deaf in one ear and partially in other ear, so he has personality issues, really can be stubborn and difficult to deal with, been having trouble getting him away from Microsoft products like Windows or Office, any ideas or advice be really helpful and appreciated, ty
I mean, I'm not the person you asked for tips, but I wanted to drop my two cents.
If he has many health issues, asking him to switch software at his age will be challenging, and requires a lot of patience. You could start wanting to show him with excitement, like, showing how cool it can be to try out something new. He might get easily overwhelmed if things work differently than what he's used to, so try to guide him in that.
but yeah, be very patient with him. I'm sure he's got a lot on his plate already.
Just keep making sure he's getting the medical treatment he needs.
I wish your family the best!
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Awesome, it does great at what it was designed to do. And it even does mediocre at things it was not designed to do. It even does incompetently things that aren't anywhere in its code? Amazing piece of tech.
LaTeX is great but it's not an office suite.
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Interest in LibreOffice, the open-source alternative to Microsoft Office, is on the rise, with weekly downloads of its software package close to 1 million a week. That’s the highest download number since 2023.
“We estimate around 200 million [LibreOffice] users, but it’s important to note that we respect users’ privacy and don’t track them, so we can’t say for sure,” said Mike Saunders, an open-source advocate and a deputy to the board of directors at The Document Foundation.
LibreOffice users typically want a straightforward interface, Saunders said. “They don’t want subscriptions, and they don’t want AI being ‘helpful’ by poking its nose into their work — it reminds them of Clippy from the bad old days,” he said.
There are genuine use cases for generative AI tools, but many users prefer to opt-in to it and choose when and where to enable it. “We have zero plans to put AI into LibreOffice. But we understand the value of some AI tools and are encouraging developers to create … extensions that use AI in a responsible way,” Saunders said.
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