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Zelenskyy says no to any US minerals deal that might risk Ukraine’s EU bid

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  • S [email protected]

    Selenskyj is quite smart.

    I suppose it's mostly a play for time though so trump, who will for sure drop him and all, can't do it right away without losing the wee bit of face trump has left.

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    Perhaps Trump still wants that Nobel peace prize too, since Obama got one. So if Zelensky could convince him that that's still possible, ideally, while Vance isn't in the room, that might be good.

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      How this man hasn’t crumbled by the all the responsibility and pressure is beyond me.

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        Jesus fuck.

        EU + GB, can you please just buy enough time for the US to pull its head out its arse? We cannot let the blyats win.

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          How this man hasn’t crumbled by the all the responsibility and pressure is beyond me.

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          Superhuman.

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            Fuck Trump and US, he shouldn't get ANY minerals at all. Why even Ukraine should be giving any minerals in the first place? It's the attacker that should be punished and not a victim, thus Russia should give minerals to the US if anything, NOT Ukraine.

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              How this man hasn’t crumbled by the all the responsibility and pressure is beyond me.

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              He probably has Ukraine's best psychologists and a team of specialists helping him

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                Jesus fuck.

                EU + GB, can you please just buy enough time for the US to pull its head out its arse? We cannot let the blyats win.

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                I think most of us are coming to the realisation that America pulling its head out of its arse is not going to happen, and this is a permanent change.

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                  I think most of us are coming to the realisation that America pulling its head out of its arse is not going to happen, and this is a permanent change.

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                  I fully expect another civil war and when that happens we will need support from the international community, even if it's covert.

                  So please encourage your representatives to watch us with a close eye.

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                  • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                    Trump's holding all the cards? Must be a game of Uno.

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                    Quite the reverse-o that you just played!

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                      I think most of us are coming to the realisation that America pulling its head out of its arse is not going to happen, and this is a permanent change.

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                      We’ll have a strong indication one way or another in less than two years. I just heard a news broadcast of protesters at a republican town hall in Indiana, which is as backward a state as most republican strongholds. The Speaker of the House, mike Johnson, has asked that republicans not hold town halls for fear of what he calls “professional protesters”. Again, we are talking here about states that are home to vast swaths of degenerate cretins. They are the ones who are pissed off. The midterm elections may bring some sanity back to the USA. Dems need a simple majority in the house to stymie much of what the traitor cunt wishes to suffer upon us all.

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                        Perhaps Trump still wants that Nobel peace prize too, since Obama got one. So if Zelensky could convince him that that's still possible, ideally, while Vance isn't in the room, that might be good.

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                        The play here, IMO, is to use the British royal family to fool the moron traitor into thinking that they’ll lobby for his peace prize if he can stall the blyats. Sell him some bullshit like “oh yeah, that Swedish guy who gives out Nobels is my cousin - you know how it works here in Europe - and I know that he has next year’s Nobel selected already, but that wanker owes me a favor and I can get you the prize in 2027…”

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                          We’ll have a strong indication one way or another in less than two years. I just heard a news broadcast of protesters at a republican town hall in Indiana, which is as backward a state as most republican strongholds. The Speaker of the House, mike Johnson, has asked that republicans not hold town halls for fear of what he calls “professional protesters”. Again, we are talking here about states that are home to vast swaths of degenerate cretins. They are the ones who are pissed off. The midterm elections may bring some sanity back to the USA. Dems need a simple majority in the house to stymie much of what the traitor cunt wishes to suffer upon us all.

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                          I hope it works out as you say; however, I can't help but think the situation is much worse than that and it will be difficult to recover normality even if the dems win the midterms and resist trump for the rest of his term.

                          From an outside perspective it seems like people knew what trump was like in the first term, had some time to reflect on it, and then decided they wanted another hit. The kind of propaganda he used to win is incredibly corrosive but apparently it works, and certain oligarchs have thrown their weight behind it to maintain their power. AI and deregulated social media is going to make it easier for bad actors (both foreign and within your own country) to pump it out at scale, using more sophisticated and targeted methods. I can't see regulators controlling it given what your political culture is like, and how powerful the tech lobby is.

                          If your country is so fractious that you get one term for each party repeatedly, the republicans will win, because it's so much quicker to break things than it is to fix them.

                          In Europe we need alternatives to American tech and weapons systems in case this trend away from democratic norms and rules based international order continues.

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                            He probably has Ukraine's best psychologists and a team of specialists helping him

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                            I don't think he has the time to consult psychologists tbh

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                              I don't think he has the time to consult psychologists tbh

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                              Same. After the war he will retire from the politics because he just needs to rest for many years.

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                                According to renowned scientists, Ukraine doesn’t actually have minable Rare Earths.

                                The contentious 28 February Oval Office meeting can’t be understood without a crucial piece of context: there are no deposits of rare-earth ore in Ukraine known to be minable in an economically viable way. And that would be true even if full-scale warfare were not raging in the country’s east, where a great deal of its mineral resources are concentrated.

                                Ukraine is believed to have four areas with substantial deposits of rare earth ores, according to Erik Jonsson, senior geologist with the Geological Survey of Sweden. “There are four slightly bigger deposits: Yastrubetske, Novopoltavske, Azovske, and Mazurivske. All but one of them seem to be now within or near the zone that the Russians control, as far as I can tell,” says Jonsson. “And when it comes to resources in those deposits, I mean, we have numbers; yes, that’s nice. But we have no real, detailed, outline of how those numbers were arrived at.” The numbers are believed to come from Soviet surveys dating as far back as the 1960s.

                                “The rare-earth deposits don’t look that relevant,” Jonsson concludes. “I mean, I wouldn’t go for them.” Two of the deposits are dominated by a mineral called britholite, he notes, which is not desirable because it has not been processed for rare earths, which means that almost nothing exists in the way of process chemistry and equipment.

                                “If you want critical minerals, Ukraine ain’t the place to look for them,” declares Jack Lifton, executive chairman of the Critical Minerals Institute. “It’s a fantasy. There’s no point to any of this. There’s some other agenda going on here. I can’t believe that anybody in Washington actually believes that it makes sense to get rare earths in Ukraine.”

                                [Emphasis mine.]

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                                  According to renowned scientists, Ukraine doesn’t actually have minable Rare Earths.

                                  The contentious 28 February Oval Office meeting can’t be understood without a crucial piece of context: there are no deposits of rare-earth ore in Ukraine known to be minable in an economically viable way. And that would be true even if full-scale warfare were not raging in the country’s east, where a great deal of its mineral resources are concentrated.

                                  Ukraine is believed to have four areas with substantial deposits of rare earth ores, according to Erik Jonsson, senior geologist with the Geological Survey of Sweden. “There are four slightly bigger deposits: Yastrubetske, Novopoltavske, Azovske, and Mazurivske. All but one of them seem to be now within or near the zone that the Russians control, as far as I can tell,” says Jonsson. “And when it comes to resources in those deposits, I mean, we have numbers; yes, that’s nice. But we have no real, detailed, outline of how those numbers were arrived at.” The numbers are believed to come from Soviet surveys dating as far back as the 1960s.

                                  “The rare-earth deposits don’t look that relevant,” Jonsson concludes. “I mean, I wouldn’t go for them.” Two of the deposits are dominated by a mineral called britholite, he notes, which is not desirable because it has not been processed for rare earths, which means that almost nothing exists in the way of process chemistry and equipment.

                                  “If you want critical minerals, Ukraine ain’t the place to look for them,” declares Jack Lifton, executive chairman of the Critical Minerals Institute. “It’s a fantasy. There’s no point to any of this. There’s some other agenda going on here. I can’t believe that anybody in Washington actually believes that it makes sense to get rare earths in Ukraine.”

                                  [Emphasis mine.]

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                                  I can’t believe that anybody in Washington actually believes that it makes sense to get rare earths in Ukraine

                                  I mean, has he taken a look at the absolute buffoons in Washington lately? Trump's literal self-given purpose in life is to make a deal, even if he has no idea about the technical side.

                                  He bankrupted a casino and a steak business, and numerous others because he understands nothing. This is no different.

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                                    I can’t believe that anybody in Washington actually believes that it makes sense to get rare earths in Ukraine

                                    I mean, has he taken a look at the absolute buffoons in Washington lately? Trump's literal self-given purpose in life is to make a deal, even if he has no idea about the technical side.

                                    He bankrupted a casino and a steak business, and numerous others because he understands nothing. This is no different.

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                                    I don't know, maybe. I am just wondering what this "other agenda" actually is. Undermining Ukraine's EU accession? It's independence? I don't know, but it's good that Zelenskyy has rejected the deal.

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                                      I don't know, maybe. I am just wondering what this "other agenda" actually is. Undermining Ukraine's EU accession? It's independence? I don't know, but it's good that Zelenskyy has rejected the deal.

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                                      Trump is chaotic and unpredictable. His actions are mainly decided by personal greed and petty whims and grievances. But there is one constant in his behaviour since at least 2016, and that is his allegiance to Putin. He has never once convincingly criticised him, and everything he has done which involved Russian interests has always been in favour of Russia.

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                                        I don't know, maybe. I am just wondering what this "other agenda" actually is. Undermining Ukraine's EU accession? It's independence? I don't know, but it's good that Zelenskyy has rejected the deal.

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                                        I low-key want Zelensky to sign any deal to get the US to go all-in, and when it becomes time to pay, just say "ehh, I thought you were just keeping up your end of the Budapest accords. Well give you minerals next time you help us out though!"

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                                          Have anyone figured out what game is being played though?

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                                          Schwarzer peter

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