Elon Musk sells X to his own xAI for $33 billion in all-stock deal
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Well, not really. Twitter was his own private property that he bought with borrowed money secured against his Tesla shares. xAI on the other hand is financed by investors whose money he used to bail himself out at a price he made up himself since Twitter is no longer publicly traded. So this is, in my opinion, misuse of investor funds; the picture would be true if xAI used how own money to do this, but no.
On one hand,I think this is serious fraud. On the other, my understanding for anyone investing into his companies is very limited, there are so many red flags on so many levels.
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The incumbents will go broke.
Can't wait! Gonna stock up on some popcorn lmao
And toilet paper. For whatever reason.
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I suspect the government(s) that represent the bulk of the funds behind xAI threw the money out to continue operating exactly as he has been.
They thought all they were getting was a piece of the latest hype. Now they've got leverage over the entirety govt of the United Fucking States!
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So hell get taxed for exchange of speculative assets right?... Right?!
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So hell get taxed for exchange of speculative assets right?... Right?!
No because it's a loss, so he'll actually get 10bln in tax credit
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His juvenile enthusiasm for the letter X is so ten-year-old boy with sunglasses.
He called the tesla models S3XY, and the 3 is only because Ford was gonna sue him if he used E.
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yes its a perfect setup for a payoff.
Ah shit so maybe not fraud but bribery.
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Well, not really. Twitter was his own private property that he bought with borrowed money secured against his Tesla shares. xAI on the other hand is financed by investors whose money he used to bail himself out at a price he made up himself since Twitter is no longer publicly traded. So this is, in my opinion, misuse of investor funds; the picture would be true if xAI used how own money to do this, but no.
On one hand,I think this is serious fraud. On the other, my understanding for anyone investing into his companies is very limited, there are so many red flags on so many levels.
The investors have a seat in the board of directors in xAI, and for a shareholder deal you must have board approval. So at least more than 50% of the directors support this, meanings he is legally in the clear.
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Ah shit so maybe not fraud but bribery.
yeah figure musk is a bit smarter so didn't need to get the loans he never pays back like trump.
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So Saudi's etc now officially own Twitter.
They owned it ever since Elon bought it, why do you think Elon was hanging out at the soccer world cup with Kushner and a bunch of high profile Saudi royals shortly before the purchase. They're backers.
He just announced four days ago that they're going to launch Tesla dealerships and have a big launch party April 10th in Saudi for the first time ever. Not because SA need or want them (they buy very few EVs as their domestic petrol prices are very cheap), but because they're stepping up to help his company during its current global dire sales downturn.
They've been close allies with Elon for a long time.
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Are the authorities aware? It's very illegal to sell exctacy in the US.
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I actually think Google is going to win this one, they're the only ones making their own hardware to run their own models. Open ai are starting down that road but they're years behind.
When you look at the pricing of all the AI companies, Google's is so much cheaper (orders of magnitude) and they're not having to pay Nvidia billions to do it.
I actually agree with you, they definitely have the edge, but I still am skeptical that they will be able to maintain their valuation.
I just don't see a world where most people are coughing up more than $10 a month for AI.
Most people will only use free AI and companies will mostly buy cheap AI.
Running Deepseek locally is basically free. That's the competition.
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For reference, he bought it for $44B.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquisition_of_Twitter_by_Elon_Musk
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Correct.
It's actually a smart move.
The dumb money are those pouring hundreds of billions into the AI hype. This is .com bubble on steroids.
And sure, AI obviously is becoming an important market, but it will not be the current leaders who will dominate the tech. Like the internet, it's just too easy to catch up for competitors. Pouring $100B into AI today will only mean you lose out to the $1B startup in 2 years. The incumbents will go broke.
I don't understand how this gets him free of the loans. My understanding is that he financed $14B of the Twitter purchase with loans secured against Tesla stock. That $14B worth of twitter stock was then owned by Musk and he also had a loan.
This was an all stock purchase, so xAI stock was exchanged for equivalent value of Twitter stock (keep the old name to keep it clear). Now Musk's twitter stock that he bought with the $14B will become the equivalent value of xAI stock, and he still has the loan that bought it in the first place.
Unless $14B of stock has been sold somewhere to repay the loans they still exist.
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xAI has raised maybe $12B from investors. And, supposedly, makes $100M/yr.
The valuations are absurd.
"Makes" by selling what exactly?
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I don't understand how this gets him free of the loans. My understanding is that he financed $14B of the Twitter purchase with loans secured against Tesla stock. That $14B worth of twitter stock was then owned by Musk and he also had a loan.
This was an all stock purchase, so xAI stock was exchanged for equivalent value of Twitter stock (keep the old name to keep it clear). Now Musk's twitter stock that he bought with the $14B will become the equivalent value of xAI stock, and he still has the loan that bought it in the first place.
Unless $14B of stock has been sold somewhere to repay the loans they still exist.
To know how exactly it works, we'd need to know details that aren't public.
But just speculating, if the creditors value the combined xAI+X higher than just X, then there is room to transfer the loan to the new company and away from Tesla.
But whatever the details are, Elon isn't an idiot when it comes to money. He definitely has advisors who cooked up the optimal way to profit from the AI hype.
And the essence of that is that Tesla shareholders will be left holding the bag, while Elon utiizes X/xAI to capitalize on the hype.
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"Makes" by selling what exactly?
Subscriptions and licensing, supposedly.
$12B is just how much money investors put into it. The company’s valuation is $80B. Which is insane.
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Is this so the loans secured with X stock can't be called in, forcing Elon to sell the collateral to pay back the loan?
Sure seems like a bullshit business move to retain control of Tesla.
X is a private company, there's no stock.
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For reference, he bought it for $44B.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquisition_of_Twitter_by_Elon_Musk
YAAASSSS!! I love to think of him losing money without money his influence plummets
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