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German intelligence warns Putin preparing Nato assault by end of decade

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  • R [email protected]

    Russia can't even take over Ukraine and they'll take on entire NATO? Even if we exclude USA from it there is just no chance. Only if dumbass Trump collaborates with Russia to attack NATO together. That would be WW3 then...

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    Russia has the same problem as the same problem has the US, but supercharged it. They made the military the backbone of the economy and main social safety net, so they need to be in a permanent state of conflict to justify it.

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    • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

      What is the size of the army in men/woman for Russia? Given the last 3 years, their demographic should be impacted overall, isn’t it?

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      It is definitely impacted but you also need to consider how indoctrinated and thoroughly militarized the younger generations are at this point. Russia might not have good birth rates, but their children are forced to learn marching in formation early on (I think it was at kindergarten level) and practice with wooden rifle mockups.

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      • R [email protected]

        Russia can't even take over Ukraine and they'll take on entire NATO? Even if we exclude USA from it there is just no chance. Only if dumbass Trump collaborates with Russia to attack NATO together. That would be WW3 then...

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        There’s this old saying that goes something like: "The European Airforce could beat Russia any day of the week - as long as they don’t have to do it the next week as well."

        Meaning, the most pressing problem are our ammunition stockpiles. If you research that you’ll quickly see how bad the situation is in the EU currently. The Bundeswehr could, according to top generals, not stay in a fight for more than one or two weeks before running out of artillery shells, missiles and bombs.

        Then there’s also the issue of lacking infrastructure, the absence of a unified command structure in Europe and with the withdrawal of the US, also a lack of strategic capabilities (awacs, satellite data, military intelligence, air tankers, heavy lift helicopters, …).

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        • J [email protected]

          Russia has the same problem as the same problem has the US, but supercharged it. They made the military the backbone of the economy and main social safety net, so they need to be in a permanent state of conflict to justify it.

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          That’s not at all comparable to the American economy, wtf dude.

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          • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

            If Russia gets ambiguously belligerent with a small NATO ally (someplace like Lithuania) and everyone's suddenly saying "we have to go to war over THAT?" and American corporate media starts framing the use of article 5 as escalatory, that's your cue that phase 1 is complete.

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            America is already out of the question and I think most politicians in Europe are finally seeing that. But the problem runs much deeper still. With the US out of the picture, will Madrid declare war on Russia if they send little green men to a border village in Latvia?

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            • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

              If Russia gets ambiguously belligerent with a small NATO ally (someplace like Lithuania) and everyone's suddenly saying "we have to go to war over THAT?" and American corporate media starts framing the use of article 5 as escalatory, that's your cue that phase 1 is complete.

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              I like how you think.

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                I like how you think.

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                I don't particularly

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                • T [email protected]

                  America is already out of the question and I think most politicians in Europe are finally seeing that. But the problem runs much deeper still. With the US out of the picture, will Madrid declare war on Russia if they send little green men to a border village in Latvia?

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                  America is doing just fine, it's just the USA portion of it that is troubled

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                  • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                    If Russia gets ambiguously belligerent with a small NATO ally (someplace like Lithuania) and everyone's suddenly saying "we have to go to war over THAT?" and American corporate media starts framing the use of article 5 as escalatory, that's your cue that phase 1 is complete.

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                    Yeah, imagine invoking article 5 just over a handful of buildings....

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                      Checks out. Got to capitalise on having his asset installed in the highest office of the US before things risk stabilising.

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                      i mean, don't we all just assume this now?

                      i don't mean to make light of the news, but it's clear as day: america isn't america any more.

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                      • T [email protected]

                        That’s not at all comparable to the American economy, wtf dude.

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                        To different scales it is. The US has been using the armed forces an employer of last resort, and defense factories are the only thing keeping some regions afloat. Of course the US economy is significantly more developed outside of the military, but if the US were to scale back its military there would transversal cracks all over the economy and society.

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                        • J [email protected]

                          America is doing just fine, it's just the USA portion of it that is troubled

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                          I m delighted by your comment.

                          But also, isn't the USA portion one of the only two countries over there that are (currently) a member of NATO?

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                            Yeah, imagine invoking article 5 just over a handful of buildings....

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                            Aaahaha heh hmm ahem err yes

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                            • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                              If Russia gets ambiguously belligerent with a small NATO ally (someplace like Lithuania) and everyone's suddenly saying "we have to go to war over THAT?" and American corporate media starts framing the use of article 5 as escalatory, that's your cue that phase 1 is complete.

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                              This is specifically why France developed their nuclear arsenal under De Gaulle.

                              De Gaulle believed that the Americans could not be trusted to defend Europe, he was afraid that if the Russians would attack Europe with nuclear weapons the US would not defend us.

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                              • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                                If Russia gets ambiguously belligerent with a small NATO ally (someplace like Lithuania) and everyone's suddenly saying "we have to go to war over THAT?" and American corporate media starts framing the use of article 5 as escalatory, that's your cue that phase 1 is complete.

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                                America is going to be balls deep in greenland and europe will not go to war over THAT.

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                                • R [email protected]

                                  Russia can't even take over Ukraine and they'll take on entire NATO? Even if we exclude USA from it there is just no chance. Only if dumbass Trump collaborates with Russia to attack NATO together. That would be WW3 then...

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                                  They're already quite successful in hybrid warfare against NATO and EU.

                                  Probing NATO's security guarantees doesn't mean taking it on fully. It means testing out how far you can go without them fully committing with military.

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                                  • J [email protected]

                                    America is doing just fine, it's just the USA portion of it that is troubled

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                                    Lol I live here and I gotta say, Id sign off on us being renamed to The States of America, we are the most not united thing to ever exist.

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                                    • B [email protected]

                                      This is specifically why France developed their nuclear arsenal under De Gaulle.

                                      De Gaulle believed that the Americans could not be trusted to defend Europe, he was afraid that if the Russians would attack Europe with nuclear weapons the US would not defend us.

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                                      And oh how right he was.

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                                      • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                                        If Russia gets ambiguously belligerent with a small NATO ally (someplace like Lithuania) and everyone's suddenly saying "we have to go to war over THAT?" and American corporate media starts framing the use of article 5 as escalatory, that's your cue that phase 1 is complete.

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                                        Salami slicing all the way to London.

                                        https://youtu.be/QgkUVIj3KWY

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                                        • T [email protected]

                                          America is already out of the question and I think most politicians in Europe are finally seeing that. But the problem runs much deeper still. With the US out of the picture, will Madrid declare war on Russia if they send little green men to a border village in Latvia?

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                                          Most politicians are seeing that now but I wonder how many of them will remember these terrifying developments as soon as another guy sits in the white house. They were way too eager to cozy up to Biden after the first 4 terrible years of Trumpism. We shouldn‘ve learned our lesson then and we should learn our lesson now. Once and for all.

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