GenAI website goes dark after explicit fakes exposed
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I don't like saying the full phrase, it's a disgusting merger of words that shouldn't exist.
Very true, thanks for your sensitivity @dumbass
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I don't like saying the full phrase, it's a disgusting merger of words that shouldn't exist.
and it's wrong, too. it's not pornography, it's rape.
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Who actually gets hurt in AI generated cp? The servers?
All the little girls it learned from.
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All the little girls it learned from.
Gen AI doesn't take cp content and recreates it. There wouldn't be a point of gen AI if that is the case. It knows what regular porn looks like and what a child looks like and it generates an image. With those inputs it can create something new and at the same time hurt nobody.
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Only the real things are actual humans who have likely not consented to ever being in this database at all let alone having parts of their likeness being used for this horrific shit. There is no moral argument for this garbage:
Technically speaking, if you post images of your child on social media, you have consented. If you never uploaded an image of your child online, you never need to worry.
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Who actually gets hurt in AI generated cp? The servers?
Are you suggesting that this particular type of CP should be acceptable? (And suddenly "but I used AI" becomes a popular defence.)
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Nuanced take coming, take a breath:
I agree that Child Sexual Abuse is a horrible practice along with all other violence and oppression, sexual or not. But the attraction de facto exists and has done for thousands of years, even through intense taboos. It seems our current strategy of shaming and ignoring it has been ineffective. The definition of insanity being repeating the same thing expecting different results and all that.
Short of eugenics (and from previous trials maybe not even then) we might not be able to get rid of it.
So when do we try other ways of dealing with it?
I'm not saying generative AI is the solution, but I'm pretty sure denying harder isn't it either.
I've been kind of on the fence about this but then research found that people who physically or verbally express their anger tend to get angrier or delay calming down. I wonder if there could be a similar pattern with this so now I'm hesitating.
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Technically speaking, if you post images of your child on social media, you have consented. If you never uploaded an image of your child online, you never need to worry.
Social media has been around a long time. It is not reasonable to expect people to think of technology they can’t imagine even existing ten years in the future when “consenting” to use a platform. Legally you are correct. Morally this is obviously terrible. Everything about how terms and conditions are communicated is designed to take advantage of people who won’t or are unable to parse its meaning. Consent needs to be informed.
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Are you suggesting that this particular type of CP should be acceptable? (And suddenly "but I used AI" becomes a popular defence.)
No cp should be acceptable. But I argue AI generated isn't cp.
This is no different than someone cutting out a child's head from a Target catalog and sticking it to a body on a playboy magazine and masturbating to it.
Or someone using Photoshoping a kids head to a pornographic photo.
It's just a more accessible version of those examples.
At the end of the day, what you do in your own home is your thing. t's not my business what you do. As long as it doesn't hurt/affect anyone, go ahead.
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I've been kind of on the fence about this but then research found that people who physically or verbally express their anger tend to get angrier or delay calming down. I wonder if there could be a similar pattern with this so now I'm hesitating.
Sexuality is often treated as more complex a topic than emotions, but I found a similar meta-study The role of conditioning, learning and dopamine in sexual behavior: A narrative review of animal and human studies, 2014 concluding that conditioning and associative learning does occur around sexuality and can be used as basis for treatment.
From other sources I've read, there's so many influences going into sexuality that it's impossible to see how it develops, but from a layman's perspective I'd agree that not reinforcing child abuse probably makes it more rare.
My remaining issue is that with such a simplistic view, any non-normative sexuality can/should be conditioned away. We already have the abusive gay conversion camps, should we go back to do the same with polygamy, bdsm, porn? How much should fashion dictate what sexuality is allowed?
(Roman style orgies seem to have faded in popularity, but tantra and swinging seems to have risen lately, which should we conditioning away? Who decides?)
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Who actually gets hurt in AI generated cp? The servers?
I don’t remember whether it was some news article or a discussion thread. But other people also suggested this might help during therapy and/or rehab. And they had the same argument in that nobody gets harmed in creating these.
As for uses outside of controlled therapy, I’d be afraid it might make people want the “real thing” at some point. And, as others already pointed out: Good luck proving to your local police that those photos on your laptop are all “fake”.
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There is also the angle of generated CSAM looking real adding difficulty in prosecuting real CSAM producers.
This, above any other reason, is why I'm most troubled with AI CSAM. I don't care what anyone gets off to if no one is harmed, but the fact that real CSAM could be created and be indistinguishable from AI created, is a real harm.
And I instinctively ask, who would bother producing it for real when AI is cheap and harmless? But people produce it for reasons other than money and there are places in this world where a child's life is probably less valuable than the electricity used to create images.
I fundamentally think AI should be completely uncensored. Because I think censorship limits and harms uses for it that might otherwise be good. I think if 12 year old me could've had an AI show me where the clitoris is on a girl or what the fuck a hymen looks like, or answer questions about my own body, I think I would've had a lot less confusion and uncertainty in my burgeoning sexuality. Maybe I'd have had less curiosity about what my classmates looked like under their clothes, leading to questionable decisions on my part.
I can find a million arguments why AI shouldn't be censored. Like, do you know ChatGPT can be convinced to describe vaginal and oral sex in a romantic fiction is fine, but if it's anal sex, it has a much higher refusal rate? Is that subtle anti-gay encoding in the training data? It also struggles with polyamory when it's two men and a woman but less when it's two women and a man. What's the long-term impact when these biases are built into everyday tools? These are concerns I consider all the time.
But at the end of the day, the idea that there are children out there being abused and consumed and no one will even look for them because "it's probably just AI" isn't something I can bear no matter how firm my convictions are about uncensored AI. It's something I struggle to reconcile.
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I don’t remember whether it was some news article or a discussion thread. But other people also suggested this might help during therapy and/or rehab. And they had the same argument in that nobody gets harmed in creating these.
As for uses outside of controlled therapy, I’d be afraid it might make people want the “real thing” at some point. And, as others already pointed out: Good luck proving to your local police that those photos on your laptop are all “fake”.
It fetishes the subject's images, and nobody knows if it would lead to recivitism in child predators. It is generally accepted that producing drawings of CP alone is bad, let alone by AI. I remember some dude getting arrested at the Canadian border for sexual drawings of Bart and Lisa. Regardless, I would say that it is quite controversial and probably not what you'd want your company to be known for ...
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Social media has been around a long time. It is not reasonable to expect people to think of technology they can’t imagine even existing ten years in the future when “consenting” to use a platform. Legally you are correct. Morally this is obviously terrible. Everything about how terms and conditions are communicated is designed to take advantage of people who won’t or are unable to parse its meaning. Consent needs to be informed.
Even when consent is informed it can still be fucky. Do you think I want to consent to an arbitration agreement with my employer or a social media platform? Fuck no, but I want a job and interaction so I go where the money/people are. I can't hunt around for a place that will hire me and also doesn't have arbitration.
Consent at the barrel of a gun, No matter how well informed, is no consent at all.
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Even when consent is informed it can still be fucky. Do you think I want to consent to an arbitration agreement with my employer or a social media platform? Fuck no, but I want a job and interaction so I go where the money/people are. I can't hunt around for a place that will hire me and also doesn't have arbitration.
Consent at the barrel of a gun, No matter how well informed, is no consent at all.
Do you think I want to consent to an arbitration agreement
In many countries mandatory arbitration agreements in a B2C context are invalid. They have no legal power.
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It fetishes the subject's images, and nobody knows if it would lead to recivitism in child predators. It is generally accepted that producing drawings of CP alone is bad, let alone by AI. I remember some dude getting arrested at the Canadian border for sexual drawings of Bart and Lisa. Regardless, I would say that it is quite controversial and probably not what you'd want your company to be known for ...
Japan has a vibrant drawn cp market yet they not not even close to the highest rate of child abuse. https://undispatch.com/here-is-how-every-country-ranks-on-child-safety/
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That's fair, but I still think it shouldn't be accepted or allowed.
I agree it shouldn't be accepted, but I disagree on being allowed. I think it should be allowed because it doesn't hurt anyone.
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Very true, thanks for your sensitivity @dumbass
It's pronounced "doo mah."
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It's pronounced "doo mah."
Wow so its from the duh region I'm france, here I thought it was just sparkling dumbass
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Japan has a vibrant drawn cp market yet they not not even close to the highest rate of child abuse. https://undispatch.com/here-is-how-every-country-ranks-on-child-safety/
