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The world reacts to Trump's sweeping tariffs: 'No basis in logic'

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  • T [email protected]

    I hope the EU reacts with something non-tariffy. Like forbidding US online platforms to serve ads and collect personal data, with severe punishments if they still do.

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    or something ultra specific that is super easy to source from any other country, to exclusively hurt the american businesses

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    • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

      Summary

      Global leaders criticized Trump’s new tariffs, which range from 10% to 49%, warning of trade wars and economic fallout.

      The UK and Italy urged negotiation, while Brazil passed a reciprocity bill. China and South Korea vowed countermeasures.

      Australia and New Zealand rejected Trump’s logic, citing existing trade deals and low tariffs. Norfolk Island was baffled by a 29% duty despite having no exports.

      Financial markets dropped, oil and bitcoin sank, and leaders warned of inflation. Analysts say Trump risks fracturing global trade with little to gain economically.

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      #129

      I don't buy that Trump has anything to do with the logic behind this world-destabalizing shock and awe spectacle.

      The conversation would be different if people stopped attributing authorship to him and acknowledged the massive decades-old machine using him as a mouthpiece.

      But it sure makes people feel smart though. Gives them something to meme about while the people who planned this get the real dirt done. Maybe he'll misspell a country name next... Do another ad for Leon's dinkeys, Israeli beans or something. Stoopid Donald got poopy pance. lol.

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      • L [email protected]

        no tariffs on russia, only sanctions?

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        #130

        Don't worry, they are working on removing those as well.

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        • F [email protected]

          Why?

          Democrats and Republicans have spent the last eight years convincing the poor and middle class that voting doesn't matter. Hell, Democrats even subverted their own primary rules twice to strike that point home, and then argued in court that it was their right to do so when they were sued for it.

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          #131

          It is always someone else who is at fault for Trump except Trump himself, the Republicans, and people like you who didn't vote.

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          • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

            Well just to be fair - and i know people like shitting on Trump but hear me out - the complaints from workers against out-shoring labor to other countries has been very loud for many years.

            Everytime the newspaper reports "Company X has moved its factory to China" you can be sure that lots of people are gonna complain about it. But tariffs are the only thing that actually forces companies to put the factories back to the USA. Or do you have a better idea?

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            You need to have a plan in place before doing this to even think about bringing manufacturing back here. And tariffs need to be like the last part of the plan

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            • B [email protected]

              I've been using it ever since i heard thats what the younger staffers in the Biden White House called him. I found it simultaneously hilarious, vicious, and accurate. I encourage you and others to use it often.

              Other suggestions:

              Kapo Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller (my favorite)

              Steve "Unwiped Asshole" Bannon

              Empty G

              Lauren Boobert

              Big Boobie Bondi

              Couchfucker Vance (not very original, but a good reminder)

              Gold Digging Whore (the Propaganda
              Secretary, I can't be bothered to learn her name)

              Traitor also works for all of them. Nazi, too.

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              D-bag works well enough for my purposes

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              • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                Well just to be fair - and i know people like shitting on Trump but hear me out - the complaints from workers against out-shoring labor to other countries has been very loud for many years.

                Everytime the newspaper reports "Company X has moved its factory to China" you can be sure that lots of people are gonna complain about it. But tariffs are the only thing that actually forces companies to put the factories back to the USA. Or do you have a better idea?

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                #134

                Maybe calculated tariffs on commodities where companies are contemplating outsourcing, but that's a step you take in advance in order to dissuade their action. This is like making the whole school sit with their heads down through recess because one specific kid was unruly.

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                • zaraki42@lemmy.caZ [email protected]

                  True. Those freeloading penguins.

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                  #135

                  they have it hard enough already without tarrifs. wasn't it last year or the year before where an entire colony of emperor penguins had every single chick die that breeding season? that's extremely sad. but sure, hit 'em with tarrifs too, why not

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                  • ? Guest

                    Arguing with you people is a waste of time.

                    I'm going to ignore you now.

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                    it's not really arguing if you're not making a point though, is it? it's just insulting people and refusing to explain why. that's not the same thing as arguing.

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                    • U [email protected]

                      It is always someone else who is at fault for Trump except Trump himself, the Republicans, and people like you who didn't vote.

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                      Realistically, it's the fault of people voting for shitty candidates. That's not a matter of opinion, but of fact.

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                      • W [email protected]

                        or something ultra specific that is super easy to source from any other country, to exclusively hurt the american businesses

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                        #138

                        or something ultra specific that is super easy to source from any other country, to exclusively hurt the american businesses

                        That was part of what went into how Canada chose the targets of out first rounds of counter-tariffs.

                        Product categories that we also make here, or can easily get elsewhere or can comfortably do without for an extended period of time.

                        That combined with a consumer led boycott of anything "made in the USA " and even staunch Republicans like Mitch McConnell are starting to push back against Trump.

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                        • sludgehammer@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                          Shortly after Trump’s announcement, the British government said the United States remains the U.K.’s “closest ally.”

                          I'm sorry TERF island, that's not gonna keep Trump from stabbing you in the back too.

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                          The UK already shot themselves in the foot turning their back on the EU... they have no one left, they are done for

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                            for everyone everywhere

                            This is all so the American companies don't actually have to compete with anyone else. Instead of lowering their prices to be competitive to give better deals to customers, they game the system and force everyone else to raise prices to match theirs.

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                            That whole story assumes the population of the USA will continue to have the capacity to buy stuff... this assumption is ever less likely as the USA is heading into the worst recession they have ever experienced

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                            • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                              Summary

                              Global leaders criticized Trump’s new tariffs, which range from 10% to 49%, warning of trade wars and economic fallout.

                              The UK and Italy urged negotiation, while Brazil passed a reciprocity bill. China and South Korea vowed countermeasures.

                              Australia and New Zealand rejected Trump’s logic, citing existing trade deals and low tariffs. Norfolk Island was baffled by a 29% duty despite having no exports.

                              Financial markets dropped, oil and bitcoin sank, and leaders warned of inflation. Analysts say Trump risks fracturing global trade with little to gain economically.

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                              I saw someone say it seems that the tariffs were calculated by dividing our trade deficit by their exports to us and cutting that number in half. Another person analyzed his charts and concluded they look a lot like they were generated by AI.

                              So, there is, literally no basis in logic. Either one of Trump's minions calculated what it would take to recoup the difference in the trade deficit and just wrote it down and he announced that as the new basis for international trade, which has never, ever been done, for the reason that it is fucking idiotic, or he asked Gemini how to execute his already objectively stupid policy and wrote an Executive Order making it the law.

                              And the fact that we are forced to accept people on the Internet's guesses about how he calculated these numbers may actually be worse than the fact that just about every product on the market more complex than a stapler just jumped about 30% in price.

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                              • ? Guest

                                Arguing with you people is a waste of time.

                                I'm going to ignore you now.

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                                "I'm too smart to deal with the likes of you."

                                Riding that dunning-krueger curve like a pro fucking surfer.

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                                • ? Guest

                                  Advertising should just be illegal.

                                  It gives an unfair advantage to those who already have an unfair advantage.

                                  I recommend installing an addon called AdNauseam to block ads in addition to sending data that you've clicked them.

                                  Please everyone. Try to understand that being a useful idiot is the norm these days. It's what's cool.

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                                  Someone needs to create plugins not to block data being sent, but to send inordinate amounts of trash data.

                                  Make the whole system pointless.

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                                  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                                    Well just to be fair - and i know people like shitting on Trump but hear me out - the complaints from workers against out-shoring labor to other countries has been very loud for many years.

                                    Everytime the newspaper reports "Company X has moved its factory to China" you can be sure that lots of people are gonna complain about it. But tariffs are the only thing that actually forces companies to put the factories back to the USA. Or do you have a better idea?

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                                    I think you're kind of being unfairly downvoted because it's definitely underappreciated how much tariffs are used in modern trade deals.

                                    Putting selective import tariffs on certain goods (like say car manufacturing) might be a wise move if you want to encourage the US to develop a manufacturing base. It's worth noting that the US, and most other countries have been doing this selectively for years.

                                    This is reeeaally far from the tariffs that have actually been anounced though, which are the highest rate the US has had in around 100 years, and applied pretty indescriminately. There are some goods that the US just can't produce itself (like certain rare earth minerals that aren't in the USA) but even worse, because of the insane logic of applying them to countries as they have been done, it opens up this type of event:

                                    • A comany like Apple might assemble laptops in the US, but import parts like chips from, say, China.
                                    • They now have around a 40% tariff on all chips, which is really going to drive up cost, and leaves them with two options.
                                    • Option one, they bring all manufacturing into the US, which would take a long time to build up the infrastructure, and still really ramp up the price because wages in the US are so much higher than they are in China
                                    • Option two, they outsource everything to say Mexico or Canada who don't pay the tariffs on Chinese chips, and just pay the wholesale import tariffs are needed to bring things from Mexico/Canada to the US. They also get to skip out all the reciprocal tariffs that other countries are placing on the US in retaliation for the recently announces ones when they import out to, say, Europe.

                                    Even option one is bad, because Apple might sell laptops internally, but the newly increased price makes them super uncompetitive with rival firms overseas, so it might still lead to a loss in overall jobs for US workers.

                                    I'm not pretending this doesn't suck - but US based international companies like Apple have a clear incentive to just forgoe the US as much as possible now. This kind of risk is why countries have traditionally been very conservative with changing tariffs.

                                    I think you're probably right that there might be an argument for countries to be less conservative than they have been, but the US government just cranked up the dial from 0 to 11 and we're all about to find out what that might look like in real time.

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                                    • H [email protected]

                                      Thats still too long imo. Patents are 20 years, so should every IP protection.

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                                      If it's good enough for inventors, it's good enough for musicians, writters and software developers.

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                                      • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                                        Summary

                                        Global leaders criticized Trump’s new tariffs, which range from 10% to 49%, warning of trade wars and economic fallout.

                                        The UK and Italy urged negotiation, while Brazil passed a reciprocity bill. China and South Korea vowed countermeasures.

                                        Australia and New Zealand rejected Trump’s logic, citing existing trade deals and low tariffs. Norfolk Island was baffled by a 29% duty despite having no exports.

                                        Financial markets dropped, oil and bitcoin sank, and leaders warned of inflation. Analysts say Trump risks fracturing global trade with little to gain economically.

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                                        None of Trump's policies have any basis in reality

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                                        • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                                          Summary

                                          Global leaders criticized Trump’s new tariffs, which range from 10% to 49%, warning of trade wars and economic fallout.

                                          The UK and Italy urged negotiation, while Brazil passed a reciprocity bill. China and South Korea vowed countermeasures.

                                          Australia and New Zealand rejected Trump’s logic, citing existing trade deals and low tariffs. Norfolk Island was baffled by a 29% duty despite having no exports.

                                          Financial markets dropped, oil and bitcoin sank, and leaders warned of inflation. Analysts say Trump risks fracturing global trade with little to gain economically.

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                                          #147

                                          So 100% on brand for Trump and America in general

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