Germany could ban far-Right politicians from running for office
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DO IT! JUST DO IT! 🧍
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As much as I'm a fan of keeping Nazis out of government, holy fuck is this a bad idea!
A judge shouldn't be able to ban anyone from running for office.
This is what Russia does. Ban you from running if you're convicted of "extremism", then define that to include opposing the government.Disappointing that this isn't the overwhelming response; and shows how dangerously close to fascism a lot of the supposedly 'anti fascist' respondents actually are. As soon as you ban a thing you need to be able to define what it is. 'Far right' is not an easy definition, with Right/Left are poor descriptors of often complex political stances, at the best of times. Descriptions that can be easily bent to match any set of beliefs you want to target. Clearly a dangerous path. Those beying for it need to take a pause and think.
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Far-Right politicians in Germany could be banned from running for office under plans by the incoming government, echoing a decision in France to block Marine Le Pen from a presidential bid.
Wake us up when it's "have".
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The proposal doesn't ban the party, it suggests banning extremist individuals convicted of things like inciting hatred from running for office. In effect, it puts a damper on extreme individual members of a party that doesn't itself reach the threshold for prohibition as a party. So I can see the logic behind it. But I agree it's a dicey proposal and ripe for political abuse. Still, it would be contingent on court decisions so it could work with a strong (just/uncorrupt) court system.
Well reading what's actually is there and not what I already concluded to be there has never been my strong suit.
The proposal feels like sidestepping the actual problem, that the rise of the far right must be countered, by putting a weak barr on political discussion and political discours to mitigate broader problems. Which to be fair is the politics of center parties. -
Far-Right politicians in Germany could be banned from running for office under plans by the incoming government, echoing a decision in France to block Marine Le Pen from a presidential bid.
Its amazing how things work, the defendors of the democracy are asking to ban a political party. Do this exercise with me, imagine a country where the majority of people want a "far-right" party to rule them. It can be for a lot of reasons, security, education, social paradox, conservative economic reasons, emigration... whatever, you choose, what would you do? Deny the will of an entire country or let them freely choose what they want? Im not judging im just curious, i know my answer but i want to ear yours
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Its amazing how things work, the defendors of the democracy are asking to ban a political party. Do this exercise with me, imagine a country where the majority of people want a "far-right" party to rule them. It can be for a lot of reasons, security, education, social paradox, conservative economic reasons, emigration... whatever, you choose, what would you do? Deny the will of an entire country or let them freely choose what they want? Im not judging im just curious, i know my answer but i want to ear yours
OK Adolf.
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Far-Right politicians in Germany could be banned from running for office under plans by the incoming government, echoing a decision in France to block Marine Le Pen from a presidential bid.
Then they'll ban far left politicians from running.
Then they'll ban anyone they don't like.
And eventually, they'll ban everyone who isn't them.
Right wing lunatics are repulsive in almost every sense, but this isn't the way you beat them. When you put the machinery in place to do something like this, it will inevitably be abused in the opposite direction in future.
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OK Adolf.
There we go... Your arguments are indeed so strong that im speechless, you are a comunication guru my friend
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Then they'll ban far left politicians from running.
Then they'll ban anyone they don't like.
And eventually, they'll ban everyone who isn't them.
Right wing lunatics are repulsive in almost every sense, but this isn't the way you beat them. When you put the machinery in place to do something like this, it will inevitably be abused in the opposite direction in future.
It's much harder to be abused when you ban the party abusing it.
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Its amazing how things work, the defendors of the democracy are asking to ban a political party. Do this exercise with me, imagine a country where the majority of people want a "far-right" party to rule them. It can be for a lot of reasons, security, education, social paradox, conservative economic reasons, emigration... whatever, you choose, what would you do? Deny the will of an entire country or let them freely choose what they want? Im not judging im just curious, i know my answer but i want to ear yours
Yes. Would you allow a company to sell actual poison that is marketed as a health food? What if a study showed 50.1% of all people believed it was not actually poisonous because of a successful marketing campaign by the company? What if innocent babies and children were ingesting this poison because their parents believed it was safe?
If you agree with banning a child killing poison but not with banning a far right party, please explain how it's fundamentally any different.
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Won't do much if nobody ever gets convicted for bribery/ corruption
If the thing that user asked to happen doesn't happen then the thing won't happen?
Do you smell burnt toast?
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Far-Right politicians in Germany could be banned from running for office under plans by the incoming government, echoing a decision in France to block Marine Le Pen from a presidential bid.
The big issue with any form of attempted suppression will not suddenly sway their voters. It would be much smarter to not give people a reason to fall for populists.
But that would be too easy, I guess.
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Who said that? They’re suggesting that, since you’re putting restrictions, you might as well add other restrictions that also make sense.
Yeah but clearly the original comment is ironic since it addresses CDU as corrupt. You know, one of the two main parties that would be main drivers behind the suggested extremists banning?
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Far-Right politicians in Germany could be banned from running for office under plans by the incoming government, echoing a decision in France to block Marine Le Pen from a presidential bid.
genocide supporting germanys already facist enough, I wouldnt trust them bringing laws of supression.
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Far-Right politicians in Germany could be banned from running for office under plans by the incoming government, echoing a decision in France to block Marine Le Pen from a presidential bid.
They know too well what happens when you let these fuckers get power.
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If the thing that user asked to happen doesn't happen then the thing won't happen?
Do you smell burnt toast?
If the thing that user asked to happen doesn’t happen then the thing won’t happen?
My understanding was that they asked that politicians with bribery convictions are blocked from running in elections (aka the topic of this thread).
Which can not happen if the prerequisite bribery convictions - which is something different from being blocked from the elections - have not been met.
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Wake us up when it's "have".
They're not gonna
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If the thing that user asked to happen doesn’t happen then the thing won’t happen?
My understanding was that they asked that politicians with bribery convictions are blocked from running in elections (aka the topic of this thread).
Which can not happen if the prerequisite bribery convictions - which is something different from being blocked from the elections - have not been met.
I can see what your line of thought was now, ty for elaborating
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Its amazing how things work, the defendors of the democracy are asking to ban a political party. Do this exercise with me, imagine a country where the majority of people want a "far-right" party to rule them. It can be for a lot of reasons, security, education, social paradox, conservative economic reasons, emigration... whatever, you choose, what would you do? Deny the will of an entire country or let them freely choose what they want? Im not judging im just curious, i know my answer but i want to ear yours
This is a paradox well described by Popper. The gist is: You can not be tolerant towards the intolerant.
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Then they'll ban far left politicians from running.
Then they'll ban anyone they don't like.
And eventually, they'll ban everyone who isn't them.
Right wing lunatics are repulsive in almost every sense, but this isn't the way you beat them. When you put the machinery in place to do something like this, it will inevitably be abused in the opposite direction in future.
It's pretty hypocritical. Banning people from running in elections is about as far right as you can get.
The left-right divide is not a straight line, it's a full circle.
