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After Trump tariffs, China offers ‘trauma bonding’ with U.S. partners

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  • E [email protected]

    Care to explain? I have a difficult time imagining Chinese military actions in Africa.

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    Never said military actions. China has been trying to establish economic hegemony in Africa for a while via giant loans for infrastructure projects that the nations in question could never possibly repay. Of course, the terms of the loan establish that if the nation defaults, China immediately gains control over all assets built with the money.

    https://www.bu.edu/gdp/2023/09/18/a-new-state-of-lending-chinese-loans-to-africa/ This has some fun charts about the phenomenon.

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      How do i explain this to my kids and grand kids. What a mess

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      Explain it in Chinese, so they're prepared for the future

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        And we, Canada, should be bonding with China, the EU and many others.

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        Yes. But carefully. And with eyes wide open.

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        • E [email protected]

          Care to explain? I have a difficult time imagining Chinese military actions in Africa.

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          A river died

          Just one example of their bad acting. No worse really than the western world has done, but certainly no better

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            Explain it in Chinese, so they're prepared for the future

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            Firefly entered the chat.

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            • sensiblepuffin@lemmy.funami.techS [email protected]

              Never said military actions. China has been trying to establish economic hegemony in Africa for a while via giant loans for infrastructure projects that the nations in question could never possibly repay. Of course, the terms of the loan establish that if the nation defaults, China immediately gains control over all assets built with the money.

              https://www.bu.edu/gdp/2023/09/18/a-new-state-of-lending-chinese-loans-to-africa/ This has some fun charts about the phenomenon.

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              Economic coercion requires the threat of military force. When I hear the phrase "boot on the neck" I'm imagining a soldier's boot.

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                A river died

                Just one example of their bad acting. No worse really than the western world has done, but certainly no better

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                Yeah that is terrible. It does seem like a common occurrence though when it comes to industrial mining, no matter who runs the operation.

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                • sensiblepuffin@lemmy.funami.techS [email protected]

                  Africa would like a word.

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                  And Sri Lanka

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                  • E [email protected]

                    Economic coercion requires the threat of military force. When I hear the phrase "boot on the neck" I'm imagining a soldier's boot.

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                    Oh shit, I forgot that China doesn't have a military.

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                    • E [email protected]

                      I don't think China has any interest in putting a boot on the neck of the world.

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                      Ignorance is bliss, innit

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                        How do i explain this to my kids and grand kids. What a mess

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                        I cut all the hard parts of that out and had my nuts snipped

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                          It was always a given that China would eventually dethrone US as a global super power. I never expected US to basically hand it over to them.

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                          It will go down as the most unforced error in history

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                          • E [email protected]

                            Yeah that is terrible. It does seem like a common occurrence though when it comes to industrial mining, no matter who runs the operation.

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                            Which was the whole point of the thread: it doesn't matter by which power you get exploited, China doesn't give a fuck about other countries either and they'll happily fuck up other countries' environments.

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                              Oh shit, I forgot that China doesn't have a military.

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                              Maybe you forgot that they don't send it all over the world, unlike certain other countries.

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                              • fingolfinz@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                                Ignorance is bliss, innit

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                                I'm basing my view on current and historical facts. Yours seems to be a more vibes-based analysis.

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                                • L [email protected]

                                  Which was the whole point of the thread: it doesn't matter by which power you get exploited, China doesn't give a fuck about other countries either and they'll happily fuck up other countries' environments.

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                                  I don't think that this is point of the thread. China isn't looking to replace the US as the global hegemon. Australian mining companies also create ecological disasters abroad, but nobody confuses this with Aussie world domination.

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                                  • E [email protected]

                                    I'm basing my view on current and historical facts. Yours seems to be a more vibes-based analysis.

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                                    I’m basing mine on their treatment of Hong Kong

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                                    • fingolfinz@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                                      I’m basing mine on their treatment of Hong Kong

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                                      Should have let the Brits keep it, I guess?

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                                      • E [email protected]

                                        I don't think that this is point of the thread. China isn't looking to replace the US as the global hegemon. Australian mining companies also create ecological disasters abroad, but nobody confuses this with Aussie world domination.

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                                        Let's talk about textile then!

                                        https://link.springer.com/article/10.2991/jat.k.201126.001

                                        This study uses Comtrade trade data covering 1990–2017, 14 textile subsectors, and 53 African countries with their main trade partners to evaluate Chinese trade impacts on African textile exports over three subperiods at the sector level. It finds that, although textile imports from China had a significant positive impact during the first period, this effect disappeared in the second period. From 2009 to 2017, the impact became significantly negative.

                                        Nevermind that, let's talk about nortel and huawei!

                                        https://nationalpost.com/news/exclusive-did-huawei-bring-down-nortel-corporate-espionage-theft-and-the-parallel-rise-and-fall-of-two-telecom-giants

                                        Which is the perfect moment to talk about...

                                        https://electrek.co/2025/03/19/chinese-authorities-delay-approval-byd-ev-plant-mexico-fears-tech-leaking-us/

                                        Why would chinese ever be afraid of other people copying them? Unless they know what might happen because they... did it?

                                        We can also talk about tibet, sri lanka, australia, new zealand, hong kong, taiwan, maynmar, russian sanction's... the list is quite long.

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                                        • E [email protected]

                                          Should have let the Brits keep it, I guess?

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                                          All right, you can play your little goal post game with yourself

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