Germany is now deporting pro-Palestine EU citizens. This is a chilling new step | Hanno Hauenstein
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If you need more proof the lemmy world admins are utter pieces of shit, notice how the genocide denialism is still on while dissenting voices are being erased.
Hell I even saw somebody straight up saying "there is no genocide"
Y'all have your heads so deep in the sand you can't feel your anus imploding. you are the product if using a free service such as Lemmy or Reddit
You think a person in a position of power won't let power get to their head? Especially in decentralized, anonymous online forum?
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You get banned for using sock puppets and insulting people while using them and saying that Germany and Israel should stop exists. That's nothing freedom of speech is for. (c/germany mod here)
Just want to state that, I will not reply to responses.
So freedom of speech shouldn't allow people to say that apartheid South Africa should exist? That Nazi Germany shouldn't be allowed to exist?
I can remember when opposing apartheid ethnostates was the correct moral opinion.
What happened?
What makes Israel different?
Or are double standards prove anti semitism when their negative?
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How does that change the fact that there is no genocide going on.
Hmm... Perhaps you're ignorant of the definition of "genocide". Allow me to enlighten you:
Genocide (noun):
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The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.
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The systematic killing of a racial or cultural group.
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The systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of ethnicity, religion, political opinion, social status, or other particularity.
(source: wordlink).
- the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.
(source: Merriam-Webster).
Genocide is violence that targets individuals because of their membership of a group and aims at the destruction of a people.[a][1] Raphael Lemkin, who first coined the term, defined genocide as "the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group" by means such as "the disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its] culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic existence".[2]
(source: Wikipedia)
I hope that clears a few things up.
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When you have privilege, losing that privilege is perceived as persecution. We see a similar phenomenon with snowflake white males in the US spouting misinformation about what DEI is so that they can end it.
Fuck the genocidal state of Israel.
But are they self sealing?
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First result is about an al jazeera documentary where they claim that israel laid those pipes to "steal the groundwater", which is an outright lie, which you knew if you just checked a few more sources like https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/myths_vs_facts_ngos_and_the_destructive_water_campaign_agaist_israel/
So, no - hamas has been working against their own people to further their goal of destroying israel and the jews without any regard to the lives of their own people.
Honestly, I'm also kinda done talking with you since you never put up any sources yourself - the only reason why I even bothered responding is so you can't sit here with a "gotcha" moment lmao. So ye, I'll mute this thread and move on with my day. It's a nice day, got better things to do than talk to an antisemitic .ml nutjob.
"My argument has been debunked but here is a website which states its mission is to defend Israel which says I am right"
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When you start calling for genocide of Jews, you're no better than Israelis attacking Gaza.
You make up people calling for a Jewish genocide in this thread, but you still can't bring yourself to use the word Genocide for the state that set up torture rape camps that they used to rape doctors to death.
Why the double standard? Why does calling for a single state with equal rights for citizens constitute calling for a genocide, but you can't call the country that has bombed and destroyed every hospital and school while continuing to block all access to food genocidal?
Why the double standard?
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First result is about an al jazeera documentary where they claim that israel laid those pipes to "steal the groundwater", which is an outright lie, which you knew if you just checked a few more sources like https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/myths_vs_facts_ngos_and_the_destructive_water_campaign_agaist_israel/
So, no - hamas has been working against their own people to further their goal of destroying israel and the jews without any regard to the lives of their own people.
Honestly, I'm also kinda done talking with you since you never put up any sources yourself - the only reason why I even bothered responding is so you can't sit here with a "gotcha" moment lmao. So ye, I'll mute this thread and move on with my day. It's a nice day, got better things to do than talk to an antisemitic .ml nutjob.
The Right to water in Palestine: A background
israel’s policy on the West Bank water resources
Water apartheid': How Israel weaponises water in the Gaza Strip
Israel’s decision to cut off electricity supply to Gaza desalination plant cruel and unlawful
Half of Gaza water sites damaged or destroyed, BBC satellite data reveals
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First result is about an al jazeera documentary where they claim that israel laid those pipes to "steal the groundwater", which is an outright lie, which you knew if you just checked a few more sources like https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/myths_vs_facts_ngos_and_the_destructive_water_campaign_agaist_israel/
So, no - hamas has been working against their own people to further their goal of destroying israel and the jews without any regard to the lives of their own people.
Honestly, I'm also kinda done talking with you since you never put up any sources yourself - the only reason why I even bothered responding is so you can't sit here with a "gotcha" moment lmao. So ye, I'll mute this thread and move on with my day. It's a nice day, got better things to do than talk to an antisemitic .ml nutjob.
Great source Realita
NGO Monitor has faced criticism and has been labeled a right-wing pro-Israeli group. For example, in 2013, a member of NGO Monitor was caught editing their own Wikipedia page, which is not allowed. Wikipedia then banned him as an editor. Further, the founder Gerald Steinburg worked for the Israeli governmentafter the formation of the NGO, a seemingly obvious conflict of interest.
The NGO Monitor tracks other NGOs through monitoring their funding and support for human rights (Specifically Pro-Israel rights). They provide a database that lists the funding and description of NGOs around the world. The website also publishes pro-Israel reports that often criticize any organization that does not absolutely support Israel, such as this See No Evil: NGOs Turn Terrorists into Civilians in 2021 Gaza Conflict. They also negatively identify any NGO or group that supports the Palestinians. Finally, the website features a blog that continues the narrative of framing any group that does not support Israel as an enemy of human rights. For example, they often attack Human Rights Watch for their support of ending Palestinian/Israeli apartheid: HRW’s Inconsistency and Incoherence Continues: EJIL: Talk! Symposium on A Threshold Crossed.
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Germany has recently taken a chilling new step, signalling its willingness to use political views as grounds to curb migration. Authorities are now moving to deport foreign nationals for participating in pro-Palestine actions. As I reported this week in the Intercept, four people in Berlin – three EU citizens and one US citizen – are set to be deported over their involvement in demonstrations against Israel’s war on Gaza. None of the four have been convicted of a crime, and yet the authorities are seeking to simply throw them out of the country.
The accusations against them include aggravated breach of the peace and obstruction of a police arrest. Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.
But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.
This was maybe news a week ago but these four dudes are the exception that make the rule, tbh. Germany is cool.
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You get banned for using sock puppets and insulting people while using them and saying that Germany and Israel should stop exists. That's nothing freedom of speech is for. (c/germany mod here)
Just want to state that, I will not reply to responses.
Denying the existence of any state is a legitimate political opinion, especially when the given state is commiting genocide. You are the one lumping the people with their state by implying wanting the end of the later means willing harm to the former .
I wouldn't have to take anti censorship measure if you weren't censoring
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Bro defends a terrorist organisation that wants to eradicate an entire religion and thinks he's on the right side.
I fucking can't lmao.
Yeah fr these four dudes were not "Pro-Palestine Protestors" they were threatening people with axes, calling police fascists, and chanting "from the river to the sea". That was terrorism, and they're bejng let off incredibly lightly.
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You get banned for using sock puppets and insulting people while using them and saying that Germany and Israel should stop exists. That's nothing freedom of speech is for. (c/germany mod here)
Just want to state that, I will not reply to responses.
You edited to add 'nowadays'.
What a cowardly edit.
How was it okay to back the terrorist group ANC (Nelson Mandela was a convicted terrorist) and call for the fall of the Apartheid South African government in the 80's, yet not okay to call for the downfall of the Apartheid ethnostate that Nelson Mandela said the concentration camp they created (Gaza) was worse then any of the Bantustans created by Apartheid South Africa?
What Israel is doing is quantitatively worse then Apartheid South Africa. Why was calling for the end of that government okay?
$5 says you're too much of a coward to answer that question, even if only to yourself.
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So freedom of speech shouldn't allow people to say that apartheid South Africa should exist? That Nazi Germany shouldn't be allowed to exist?
I can remember when opposing apartheid ethnostates was the correct moral opinion.
What happened?
What makes Israel different?
Or are double standards prove anti semitism when their negative?
I guess it’s less about freedom of speech and more about not giving fascistic governments ammunition to eradicate Lemmy and instances like this one.
I am 100% certain that intelligence agencies are already monitoring this social network. Going against the status quo necessitates restraint regarding certain thoughts.
I’d argue you can still say these things, but you need to word them wisely. We have to remember they have all the power from the medias to the judicial system.
It’s an era in which they can easily manufacture consent to do whatever they want against what is deem a threat.
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Germany has recently taken a chilling new step, signalling its willingness to use political views as grounds to curb migration. Authorities are now moving to deport foreign nationals for participating in pro-Palestine actions. As I reported this week in the Intercept, four people in Berlin – three EU citizens and one US citizen – are set to be deported over their involvement in demonstrations against Israel’s war on Gaza. None of the four have been convicted of a crime, and yet the authorities are seeking to simply throw them out of the country.
The accusations against them include aggravated breach of the peace and obstruction of a police arrest. Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.
But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.
The real umbrella term is tolerance, you embrace it and it covers you, you either fall in line and integrate or you're out.
Nowhere is set in stone that you have a right to bring the shit that made you flee your country into your host country and escape consequence.
Good riddance, globalism is absolute shit.
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I guess it’s less about freedom of speech and more about not giving fascistic governments ammunition to eradicate Lemmy and instances like this one.
I am 100% certain that intelligence agencies are already monitoring this social network. Going against the status quo necessitates restraint regarding certain thoughts.
I’d argue you can still say these things, but you need to word them wisely. We have to remember they have all the power from the medias to the judicial system.
It’s an era in which they can easily manufacture consent to do whatever they want against what is deem a threat.
Probably the only non-evil response.
It fails the 'all it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing' test.
It fails the 'If I was in Nazi Germany, I would have resisted' test.
But I suspect that that isn't the reason used by [email protected]
I would guess that he would have supported Rhodesia if his government said that to oppose them was racist against white people.
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This was maybe news a week ago but these four dudes are the exception that make the rule, tbh. Germany is cool.
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The real umbrella term is tolerance, you embrace it and it covers you, you either fall in line and integrate or you're out.
Nowhere is set in stone that you have a right to bring the shit that made you flee your country into your host country and escape consequence.
Good riddance, globalism is absolute shit.
Beyond the thinly veiled xenophobia and eurocentrism, I find it actually ironic how many of you people spout this line of thinking since it shows your complete lack of mental capacity to engage with the reality that many of the people who flee do so as a result of Western involvement in other countries' governments, and the rest are fighting a system that chooses racism and violence toward the poor over, and over, and over, and over....
tl;Dr: keep shitting on the Global South but don't be surprised when you're alone while Putin and Trump come for your children and your children's children.
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The real umbrella term is tolerance, you embrace it and it covers you, you either fall in line and integrate or you're out.
Nowhere is set in stone that you have a right to bring the shit that made you flee your country into your host country and escape consequence.
Good riddance, globalism is absolute shit.
I might also add none of the rights you enjoy are set in stone, so maybe when they throw you in a camp you can bring that up to them.
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In germany you are allowed to sue the state. If they felt like they were mistreated they would have already sued. No answer is also an answer
