6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
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Where's that steam os release
If you want SteamOS there are plenty of options that are effectively the exact same thing but with a different name.
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Only semi-related: Why do they always show pictures of Gates when he hasn't been involved in MS in a long time? Why never Satya Nadella?
Optics or marketing, it's the same reason LLMs are all called AI.
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Linux doesn't support VR.
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Switch to Linux. As a big-time gamer, I did it last year and it’s been fantastic. Only issue is if you main games with root kit anticheat…but with enough momentum in Linux direction, game studios will be forced to abandon those dubious detection methods anyway.
The way I see the root kit anticheat situation is that because Valve has their own Linux based OS, these companies making anticheat are probably going to end up tailoring it to whatever kernel Valve (or whatever the biggest/most widely used distro made by a large game corporation) uses to ensure people aren't cheating.
With a kernel that can be swapped out for another with varying degrees of difficulty, why wouldn't they just tailor their work to whatever the biggest corporate game company supporter of Linux is using? If SteamOS (or any other distro made by maybe someone like EA, heaven forbid) ends up becoming what these anticheat devs see as the defacto Linux distro for gaming, I guarantee they'll probably just focus all their efforts on making sure SteamOS (or whatever it ends up being) works as best they can and hanging out everyone else to dry.
A real "Wanna run the latest CoD (or something similar) on your device? Make sure you use the kernel we say you have to use!" kinda situation is what I foresee happening.
There's also an OpenBSD song with a few lines of lyrics that I think could sum up what could (and sadly most likely will) happen, in metaphorical Odyssey kind of way:
Corporate monsters, many closing passages\ Tempting harpies\ 13 years of treachery
Though it's definitely going to be more than 13 years.
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Already transitioning. Been half doing it for ages. This'll just be the last bit.
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So, there are multiple ways of installing things. For GUI apps the standard way is flatpaks. Some non-GUI things are installed that way, but it's less common.
For CLI apps, homebrew is installed by default and it's recommended as a way to install CLI things.
The method I like for apps that have a lot of interdependencies is to use a distrobox. If you want a development environment where multiple apps all talk to each-other, you can isolate them on their own distrobox and install them however you like there.
I currently have a distrobox running ubuntu that I use for a kubernetes project. In that distrobox I install anything I need with apt, or sometimes from source. Within that kubernetes project I use mise-en-place to manage tools just for that particular sub-project. What I like about doing things this way is that when I'm working on that project I have all the tools I need, and don't have to worry about the tools for other projects. My base bazzite image is basically unchanged, but my k8s project is highly customized.
If you really want to, you can still install RPMs as overlays to the base system, it's just not recommended because that slows down upgrades.
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Awesome, thanks for the explanation! I'd been put off Bazzite and other immutable distros because I had seen threads saying you basically needed flatpak for everything, but it sounds like that's not true.
I don't need a project at the moment but I will give this a go once I am ready for one!
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Man, I really tried today to get Linux on my Framework laptop.
I can't believe how goddamn frustrating the experience has been, and I've dabbled in Linux for decades.
I try Mint. Install as a dual boot... Installation done. Reboot. Straight into Windows. Check partitions and nothing has changed.
Try again. All seems fine. Boot. Some error screen that won't let me get into Mint.
Do this like four more times with no luck.
Tried Ubuntu. No easy way to install as a dual boot unless I want to mess around with custom paritions. Also, GNOME sucks ass, but Ubuntu seems way more polished than Mint.
I did get mint on a mini PC I have running through my TV. But audio wasn't working, so that took a while to sort out. And the onscreen keyboard does nothing on the lock screen. So unpolished, and I have no idea why it's recommended "for beginners" when it feels unfinished.
With windows, there's no messing around. Everything just works. And I fucking hate that I feel forced to choose a miserable, hacky, terminal-based experience with countless hours of installing shit through commands... Or a smooth, reliable, easy one with bloatware and spying on the backend. Goddammit!
Yeah with Linux if it doesn't work you're often just screwed.
I can recommend a rolling release distro, having the latest and greatest can sometimes give you bugfixes that are critical for your setup. It can also break stuff but nothing a rollback won't fix.
Another reason to prefer rolling release is the upgrade path. For Ubuntu upgrading is just awful when you do any tinkering. I ran Kubuntu 20.04 for a while and because I had some custom package sources installed it wouldn't let me upgrade to 24.04. Nobody could help, and the package manager is awful it doesn't let you trace which packages are blocking the upgrade.
I'm kind of miffed that everyone is recommending mint as a starter distro because as soon as they start looking for guides on how to tinker there is a high chance they are going to make their system un-upgradable.
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Awesome, thanks for the explanation! I'd been put off Bazzite and other immutable distros because I had seen threads saying you basically needed flatpak for everything, but it sounds like that's not true.
I don't need a project at the moment but I will give this a go once I am ready for one!
Yeah, I only use flatpak for GUI apps that don't need any special handling. To be fair, that's a decent number of the things I use most often: Firefox, Thunderbird, Signal, Kodi, Discord, Gimp, VLC. I think it's also how I installed some themes for KDE / Plasma.
Console stuff I've either done in a distrobox using the conventions of that OS (apt for the Ubuntu one, DNF for the Fedora one), or I've used homebrew. But, I haven't used too much homebrew because I want my "normal" console to be as unchanged as possible.
There are a few things I've used distrobox-export to make available outside the distrobox.
It took me a little while to understand how you're supposed to think about the system, but now that I think I get it, I really like it. My one frustration is that there's an nVidia driver bug that's affecting me, and nVidia has been unable to fix it for a few months. I think I'd be in exactly the same situation with a traditional distro. The difference is that if they ever fix it, I'll have to wait a couple of weeks until the fix makes it to the Bazzite stable build. I suppose I could switch to Bazzite testing and get it within days of it being fixed instead of weeks. Apparently just use a "rebase" command and reboot. But, I'm hesitant to do that because other than the nVidia driver, everything's so stable.
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Whatd you jump to?
Took some time to settle, for various reasons, but I'm currently on Fedora Silverblue.
I tried some of its derivatives (Aurora, Bazzite), as well as OpenSuse, but came back to Fedora and Gnome because of various issue with KDE and OpenSuse asking for root password everywhere.
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I have a small laptop that I'm testing this stuff out on before I put together a new computer from parts I ordered before the tariffs took effect.
My top pick right now is fedora silverblue, I'm running it on my test bed/server and I've been impressed
I'm running bazzite on my main one, which is related but geared towards steam and maximizing game support, it's pretty good and closer to "just works" for any kind of gaming device, it's less polished but it's still pretty good
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My priorities are being able to run Davinci resolve and Steam games. Nobara ticks those boxes while advertising itself as user friendly. I have heard too many stories of people having trouble getting this stuff running on something like Linux mint, so I didn't go in that direction. I need to do more with my computer than just view web sites or write code.
Where are you getting these distros from? Most popular distros do more than "just view websites or write code."
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Man, I really tried today to get Linux on my Framework laptop.
I can't believe how goddamn frustrating the experience has been, and I've dabbled in Linux for decades.
I try Mint. Install as a dual boot... Installation done. Reboot. Straight into Windows. Check partitions and nothing has changed.
Try again. All seems fine. Boot. Some error screen that won't let me get into Mint.
Do this like four more times with no luck.
Tried Ubuntu. No easy way to install as a dual boot unless I want to mess around with custom paritions. Also, GNOME sucks ass, but Ubuntu seems way more polished than Mint.
I did get mint on a mini PC I have running through my TV. But audio wasn't working, so that took a while to sort out. And the onscreen keyboard does nothing on the lock screen. So unpolished, and I have no idea why it's recommended "for beginners" when it feels unfinished.
With windows, there's no messing around. Everything just works. And I fucking hate that I feel forced to choose a miserable, hacky, terminal-based experience with countless hours of installing shit through commands... Or a smooth, reliable, easy one with bloatware and spying on the backend. Goddammit!
Had the completly oposite experience: mint installed in 2 hours with everything working. No bloatware, no bullshit.
Biggest obstacle was, that changing the device bootorder is nog enough- uefi seetings needed some love to. I can imagine that this is not necessery if you do not use dual boot ( like win....talking about experience...)For me everything works perfect- mint is my primary os now
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Linux doesn't support VR.
ALVR isn't awful. I needed new hardware and bit the bullet knowing I was likely going to lose VR, but with the hardware upgrade, it's nicer in the new machine (Bazzite, 7900XT) than the old (Win 10, 2080 Super Max Q). Definitely not a drop in replacement yet though.
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I'm already on Linux, gaming isn't as good but I only play old games anyway so it doesn't matter.
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Unfortunately, any app that needs a GPU would be difficult to work with in a VM. You have to manually set up GPU-passthru, which requires figuring out the PCI addresses and whatnot of your card, along with using a terminal. As I understand it, this process also prevents you from using that GPU outside of the VM, which is cruddy.
I was hoping to have a Linux Mint + Windows 11 VM back in January, but that didn't work out. I am hoping that the upcoming SteamOS Desktop would make Linux friendly enough for games that aren't native to Steam, such as my GOG collection, Window 3.1 stuff like Stars!, modding, and assorted Japanese locale games.
I am hoping that the upcoming SteamOS Desktop would make Linux friendly enough for games that aren't native to Steam, such as my GOG collection
You can just add those to steam or use a launcher like heroic.
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Been on linux for years :3
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Yeah, I only use flatpak for GUI apps that don't need any special handling. To be fair, that's a decent number of the things I use most often: Firefox, Thunderbird, Signal, Kodi, Discord, Gimp, VLC. I think it's also how I installed some themes for KDE / Plasma.
Console stuff I've either done in a distrobox using the conventions of that OS (apt for the Ubuntu one, DNF for the Fedora one), or I've used homebrew. But, I haven't used too much homebrew because I want my "normal" console to be as unchanged as possible.
There are a few things I've used distrobox-export to make available outside the distrobox.
It took me a little while to understand how you're supposed to think about the system, but now that I think I get it, I really like it. My one frustration is that there's an nVidia driver bug that's affecting me, and nVidia has been unable to fix it for a few months. I think I'd be in exactly the same situation with a traditional distro. The difference is that if they ever fix it, I'll have to wait a couple of weeks until the fix makes it to the Bazzite stable build. I suppose I could switch to Bazzite testing and get it within days of it being fixed instead of weeks. Apparently just use a "rebase" command and reboot. But, I'm hesitant to do that because other than the nVidia driver, everything's so stable.
Lucky for me I don't have any Nvidia so things sail a bit smoother.
Thanks for all the advice
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Man, I really tried today to get Linux on my Framework laptop.
I can't believe how goddamn frustrating the experience has been, and I've dabbled in Linux for decades.
I try Mint. Install as a dual boot... Installation done. Reboot. Straight into Windows. Check partitions and nothing has changed.
Try again. All seems fine. Boot. Some error screen that won't let me get into Mint.
Do this like four more times with no luck.
Tried Ubuntu. No easy way to install as a dual boot unless I want to mess around with custom paritions. Also, GNOME sucks ass, but Ubuntu seems way more polished than Mint.
I did get mint on a mini PC I have running through my TV. But audio wasn't working, so that took a while to sort out. And the onscreen keyboard does nothing on the lock screen. So unpolished, and I have no idea why it's recommended "for beginners" when it feels unfinished.
With windows, there's no messing around. Everything just works. And I fucking hate that I feel forced to choose a miserable, hacky, terminal-based experience with countless hours of installing shit through commands... Or a smooth, reliable, easy one with bloatware and spying on the backend. Goddammit!
Your experience is not invalid, but It's fucked up that you're giving Windows credit for "just working" when Windows doesn't even try to support dual booting. In fact the reason Linux is having so much trouble is because it has to tiptoe so that Windows doesn't break.
If you don't like Gnome or Mint Cinnamon, why not try KDE? Something like Kubuntu, perhaps? I use Fedora KDE myself.
